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Rebecca and Rowland wrote:
> 
> Jon Allen <jon@airedale.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > A bit of advice/ideas please.
> >
> > I have a performa 5200 running OS7.5.5 and a Plus running 6.0.4, both work
> > faultlessly when appletalking.
> >
> > However, when I tried to add my HP66C deskwriter to the network, no joy.
> > The chooser claims to be making a printer list when the AT660C chooser
> > extension is selected, but then nothing happens: No printer is selected.
> > (this happens even when the network is only the 5200 and the printer)
> >
> > Any ideas?
> 
> Yeah, something's not right ;-)
> 
> But...  Hmm...  Have you tried swapping LocalTalk boxes and cables to
> ensure that it's not a cabling problem?
> 
> If it's not a cabling problem, I'd suspect some sort of software problem
> first, and then I'd suspect that the printer hardware is somehow faulty
> - I don't know about the 660C printers, but all 500 series HP DWs have
> one socket that does for normal serial and LocalTalk - the printer
> detects what sort of signal's coming in and switches itself to handle
> that signal.
> 
> (Quick thought - is the printer plugged in and powered up before you
> start the Mac?  It shouldn't particularly matter, but...)
> 
> Possible software problems?  Hmm...  Don't know for sure - I think I'd
> start by checking the HD and OS, trashing any suspicious-looking prefs
> files, re-installing the OS, checking the HD again, setting up
> everything the way I wanted it from scratch, making sure no
> non-essential extensions/control panels were loading, and then
> re-installing the printer driver software and *then* seeing if I could
> get the printer up in the chooser.  Tedious?  Yes.
> 
> So...  You could check that the printer's happy receiving normal serial
> input, and if it is, and everything else works without a hitch, try
> ringing HP and seeing what they suggest - if that draws a blank, the
> chances are that there's something up with the printer.  I think.
> 
> Rowland.
> 
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Here's another Appletalk problem.....We just got a new 5400/200 PowerMac
in the office and several Macs are networked to the same AppleLaser
Writer. Each morning when the secretaries start-up the new 5400 says
that Appletalk is off and she has to pick it up in the chooser. Anyone
know why we lose the chooser settings each morning?

Mark Schlenoff

Mark Schlenoff <polyad@erols.com> wrote:

>[snip]

 
> Here's another Appletalk problem.....We just got a new 5400/200 PowerMac
> in the office and several Macs are networked to the same AppleLaser
> Writer. Each morning when the secretaries start-up the new 5400 says
> that Appletalk is off and she has to pick it up in the chooser. Anyone
> know why we lose the chooser settings each morning?

I could be bad karma from not spipping redundant news posting text.

But...  Not much of a clue myself - have you tried all the usual checks
(DiskFirskAid, Norton, re-building the desktop, zapping the PRAM?

Rowland

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In article <34106F00.2E3C@erols.com>,
Mark Schlenoff <polyad@erols.com> wrote:

>Each morning when the secretaries start-up the new 5400 says
>that Appletalk is off and she has to pick it up in the chooser. Anyone
>know why we lose the chooser settings each morning?

Just to check; does it keep its other settings all right, such as the date
and time?

-- 
Peter

Mark Schlenoff <polyad@erols.com> wrote:

[big snip]
> Here's another Appletalk problem.....We just got a new 5400/200 PowerMac
> in the office and several Macs are networked to the same AppleLaser
> Writer. Each morning when the secretaries start-up the new 5400 says
> that Appletalk is off and she has to pick it up in the chooser. Anyone
> know why we lose the chooser settings each morning?

It is possible that you have a flat PRAM battery but this is unlikely if
it is a new machine, try re-installing the chooser, I have had the
Chooser do this to me a couple of times and indeed it happend the first
time when I 1st had the machine, re-installing works fine.

In article <19970904210325200156@wonk.demon.co.uk>, shane@wonk.demon.co.uk (Shane Badham) wrote:
>
>Jon Allen <jon@airedale.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> A bit of advice/ideas please.
>> 
>> I have a performa 5200 running OS7.5.5 and a Plus running 6.0.4, both work
>> faultlessly when appletalking.
>> 
>> However, when I tried to add my HP66C deskwriter to the network, no joy.
>> The chooser claims to be making a printer list when the AT660C chooser
>> extension is selected, but then nothing happens: No printer is selected.
>> (this happens even when the network is only the 5200 and the printer)
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> JonA
>
>Jon,
>
>Two possibilities come to mind, but it depends on what you have done to
>add the printer.
>
>1. I am assuming you only had the two machines linked originally. You
>can get away with a straight serial connection for this. More than two
>nodes on Appletalk and you need the special connector kits, terminators
>and cable (either AppleTalk or PhoneNet). You need three kits. Have you
>done this? I assume you turned AppleTalk on, as you were using it
>before.
>
>2. Are you using the correct driver for an AppleTalk printer. I don't
>have the HP660C, only the DeskWriter 210. It has two drivers one for
>serial connection and one for AppleTalk. If this is the same for the
>HP660C, are you using the correct one?
>
>If your printer came with a serial connector, try that on one machine to
>check it out.
>
>Sorry if you are way past this stage, but these were the first things
>that came to mind.
>
Both valid points, I tend to look at the " if it were a snake it would of bit 
me " angle.
Is the HP an Appletalk Printer?
Try turning AppleTalk Off.
:-)

In article <5v1uv7$3t3$2@news1.fast.net>, jeffd@fast.net (Jeff Donovan) wrote:

& In article <19970904210325200156@wonk.demon.co.uk>,
shane@wonk.demon.co.uk (Shane Badham) wrote:
& >
& >Jon Allen <jon@airedale.demon.co.uk> wrote:
& >
& >> A bit of advice/ideas please.
& >> 
& >> I have a performa 5200 running OS7.5.5 and a Plus running 6.0.4, both work
& >> faultlessly when appletalking.
& >> 
& >> However, when I tried to add my HP66C deskwriter to the network, no joy.
& >> The chooser claims to be making a printer list when the AT660C chooser
& >> extension is selected, but then nothing happens: No printer is selected.
& >> (this happens even when the network is only the 5200 and the printer)
& >
& >Two possibilities come to mind, but it depends on what you have done to
& >add the printer.
& >
& >1. I am assuming you only had the two machines linked originally. You
& >can get away with a straight serial connection for this. More than two
& >nodes on Appletalk and you need the special connector kits, terminators
& >and cable (either AppleTalk or PhoneNet). You need three kits. Have you
& >done this? I assume you turned AppleTalk on, as you were using it
& >before.
& >
& >2. Are you using the correct driver for an AppleTalk printer. I don't
& >have the HP660C, only the DeskWriter 210. It has two drivers one for
& >serial connection and one for AppleTalk. If this is the same for the
& >HP660C, are you using the correct one?
& >
& >If your printer came with a serial connector, try that on one machine to
& >check it out.
& >
& >Sorry if you are way past this stage, but these were the first things
& >that came to mind.
& >
& Both valid points, I tend to look at the " if it were a snake it would of bit 
& me " angle.
& Is the HP an Appletalk Printer?
& Try turning AppleTalk Off.
& :-)

Most of the HP DeskWriters are LocalTalk capable.

Make sure you DO NOT use a serial cable when attempting to use LocalTalk
with the printer.  While this will work from Mac to Mac it doesn't with
the DeskWriters.  The reason is that the DWs use the presence of the
PhoneNet adapter to determine whether to boot up as LT printer or as a
serial printer.  For this reason you must have the PhoneNet adapter
plugged in when you power up the printer.

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