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Bat T Ball wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:12:27 GMT, bl@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:29:50 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2007-06-01 19:52:47 -0400, John Mayson <john@mayson.us> said:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 30 May 2007, Trace wrote:
>>>>> Houston-based KBR, formerly the engineering and construction
>>>>> subsidiary of Halliburton Co., has a contingency contract in place
>>>>> with the Department of Homeland Security to construct detention
>>>>> facilities in the event of a national emergency.
>>>> Stories are federal detention/concetration camps have been circulating 
>>>> at least since the early 90's (and probably sooner).  Why should we 
>>>> believe this one any more than the dozens that have come before it?
>>> Because some of the stories are REAL.
>> It's hard to convince the brain dead middle class assholes who get
>> their news from AM that anything that doesn't involve stuffing their
>> faces, celebrity gossip, filling up their cars or paying the mortgage,
>> exists.  Fuck them.
> 
> And which one of you gave this awesome and unconstitutional power to
> the Feds while jerking your knee after 9-11? Which one of you gave the
> vote of confidence to the current legislature by reelecting them? Is
> there anyone actually staying on the dark side and considering the
> failure from NYC as a presidential candidate?  Damage done to our
> freedom was far worse than was done physically after the criminal
> action by the terrorists.  How about actually looking at the
> candidates this next election and thinking of the republic as a whole
> and not your own hole as a republic.  
> 

You said:

	"Damage done to our
	 freedom was far worse than was done physically after the 			 criminal 
action by the terrorists."

Perhaps you can enlighten me.  I, personally, have lost *NO* freedoms, 
nor do I know *anyone* who has.  I feel as free now, as I did before the 
current administration. After all, I have lived through the 
administrations of FDR, HST, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, 
Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush II.  Vague generalities will not 
be accepted, at least by me.  I lived through both WWII and the Korean 
War where I served.  I was deployed to a combat area longer than Senator 
Kerry and also earned a few minor decorations, so if you are talking 
about "rights" for our detainees, you will have to explain why we didn't 
give equivalent rights to the Germans, Japanese, Italians, North Koreans 
and Chinese captured in those wars.

Likewise, what candidates would you suggest?  I have looked carefully at 
  ALL of the candidates in both major parties and I have found *none* 
that I would be willing to vote FOR.  I have found a number in both 
parties I would vote AGAINST.  The Democrats show little understanding 
of even Economics 101, much less larger issues of macroeconomics.  They 
actually seem to assume that price controls and excess profits taxes 
will *help*.  Apparently, they don't remember the Carter 
administration's results during the Arab boycott of the 1970's. 
Remember the gasoline shortages and long lines at the service stations?

They also have not learned from the mistakes of the British and 
Canadians on health care and seem to want to bring those same problems 
of rationing of care and long waiting lists here.  If my wife and I were 
under either of their systems, we would both likely be dead now.  We 
both have been successfully treated for cancer starting in 1999 and 2000 
and we're both still here.  With cancer, prompt treatment is essential.

I have lived for an extended period in the UK while on business 
assignments and also was a manager on a new project in Toronto where my 
wife and I were exposed the the realities of the UK heath care and the 
Canadian system. Likewise, the Republicans, as a group, seem much too 
theocratic for my taste.

I will await your enlightenment.  BTW, flaming will be ignored, and I 
will listen to reasoned discourse.  I will *plonk* flames or profanity.

It is your choice.

Regards...

Tom