🚀 go-pugleaf

tom spillman wrote:

> Bat T Ball wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:12:27 GMT, bl@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:29:50 -0400, Slim <slim@pickins.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2007-06-01 19:52:47 -0400, John Mayson <john@mayson.us> said:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 30 May 2007, Trace wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Houston-based KBR, formerly the engineering and construction
>>>>>> subsidiary of Halliburton Co., has a contingency contract in place
>>>>>> with the Department of Homeland Security to construct detention
>>>>>> facilities in the event of a national emergency.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stories are federal detention/concetration camps have been 
>>>>> circulating at least since the early 90's (and probably sooner).  
>>>>> Why should we believe this one any more than the dozens that have 
>>>>> come before it?
>>>>
>>>> Because some of the stories are REAL.
>>>
>>> It's hard to convince the brain dead middle class assholes who get
>>> their news from AM that anything that doesn't involve stuffing their
>>> faces, celebrity gossip, filling up their cars or paying the mortgage,
>>> exists.  Fuck them.
>>
>>
>> And which one of you gave this awesome and unconstitutional power to
>> the Feds while jerking your knee after 9-11? Which one of you gave the
>> vote of confidence to the current legislature by reelecting them? Is
>> there anyone actually staying on the dark side and considering the
>> failure from NYC as a presidential candidate?  Damage done to our
>> freedom was far worse than was done physically after the criminal
>> action by the terrorists.  How about actually looking at the
>> candidates this next election and thinking of the republic as a whole
>> and not your own hole as a republic. 
> 
> 
> You said:
> 
>     "Damage done to our
>      freedom was far worse than was done physically after 
> the              criminal action by the terrorists."
> 
> Perhaps you can enlighten me.  I, personally, have lost *NO* freedoms, 
> nor do I know *anyone* who has.  I feel as free now, as I did before the 
> current administration. After all, I have lived through the 
> administrations of FDR, HST, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, 
> Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush II.  Vague generalities will not 
> be accepted, at least by me.  I lived through both WWII and the Korean 
> War where I served.  I was deployed to a combat area longer than Senator 
> Kerry and also earned a few minor decorations, so if you are talking 
> about "rights" for our detainees, you will have to explain why we didn't 
> give equivalent rights to the Germans, Japanese, Italians, North Koreans 
> and Chinese captured in those wars.
> 
> Likewise, what candidates would you suggest?  I have looked carefully at 
>  ALL of the candidates in both major parties and I have found *none* 
> that I would be willing to vote FOR.  I have found a number in both 
> parties I would vote AGAINST.  The Democrats show little understanding 
> of even Economics 101, much less larger issues of macroeconomics.  They 
> actually seem to assume that price controls and excess profits taxes 
> will *help*.  Apparently, they don't remember the Carter 
> administration's results during the Arab boycott of the 1970's. Remember 
> the gasoline shortages and long lines at the service stations?
> 

The Arab boycott occurred during the Nixon administration shortly after 
the Six Day War (I believe in 1973).

I believe the shortage you are describing was the result of Iranian cut 
off of supplies following the Islamic revolution in 1978 which was 
during the Carter administration which I consider by far the worst in 
modern history.


> They also have not learned from the mistakes of the British and 
> Canadians on health care and seem to want to bring those same problems 
> of rationing of care and long waiting lists here.  If my wife and I were 
> under either of their systems, we would both likely be dead now.  We 
> both have been successfully treated for cancer starting in 1999 and 2000 
> and we're both still here.  With cancer, prompt treatment is essential.
> 
> I have lived for an extended period in the UK while on business 
> assignments and also was a manager on a new project in Toronto where my 
> wife and I were exposed the the realities of the UK heath care and the 
> Canadian system. Likewise, the Republicans, as a group, seem much too 
> theocratic for my taste.
> 

I think that it would be nuts NOT to have contingency plans to cope with 
internal civil unrest/terrorism as this is a real and increasing threat 
which has been illustrated by recent events such as the planned attacks 
on Ft. Dix and just this weekend the revelation of sabotage at JFK 
International airport.

Oh, I do find the possibly of one bright face on the horizon in the 
persona of Fred Thompson...

JT