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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:23:06 -0500, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:

>Al wrote:
>> In article <fesrd3dp1ubg4d042kgu01i2c7riec8l62@4ax.com>,
>>  Ron Johnson <bugman@KILLSPAMMERSairmail.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:19:14 -0500, Suburbanaristic
>>> <Musselman@wohoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've often wondered this myself...
>>>>
>>>> **I've never been to Africa but I know that it's a more culturally and 
>>>> politically diverse place than we in the West often give it credit for. 
>>>> We say "African" as if it accurately, or at least adequately, captures 
>>>> everything about that vast continent. I understand the complaint. 
>>>> Liberals and conservative alike do it. We can talk about it at length if 
>>>> you like. But...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why on Earth do Hillary Clinton et al. think that Africa � never mind 
>>>> African "tribes" � are a compelling philosophical and political role 
>>>> model for the United States of America? Africa? Africa? At least when 
>>>> they invoke Europe as a public policy North Star they have in mind a 
>>>> first world economy and government. But Africa?
>>>>
>>>> On what conceivable grounds is it warranted to say, "What would the 
>>>> Africans do?" Even on the wishy-washy proverbial terrain Clinton is 
>>>> usually dealing with � "children," "villages," etc � is there any 
>>>> empirical basis for arguing that the African Way is superior to our own? 
>>>> Maybe there are studies that show "Africans" are happier than Americans 
>>>> � when the former aren't dying of malnutrition or medieval health care, 
>>>> or desperately trying to emigrate to the West, no doubt. But even if 
>>>> such studies exist, I doubt that any of the Africaphiles have that sort 
>>>> of thing in mind when they talk about the ancient Wisdom we should 
>>>> borrow from over there.
>>>>
>>>> Even more fascinating: why do so many people uncritically accept these 
>>>> appeals to African wisdom?
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/27vnlq
>>> If you got out more, and learned some things about Africa, (More than
>>> you learned from watching, "Tarzan", you might understand.   I have
>>> friends from a number of African Countries, Nigerians, Sudanese,
>>> Kenyans, South Africans, and more.
>> 
>> Well, good for you, but actually we do know quite a bit about Africa in 
>> the context that the writer is referencing, if we were to "get out 
>> more", we perhaps may find that, indeed, we should be more like Africa, 
>> but I kinda think that's not too likely.
>> 
>> After all, we are continually told that Africa "must be saved", but that 
>> the rich history of Africa is a model somehow through their quaint 
>> ancient customs.
>> 
>> It would make better sense for a presidential candidate to quote the 
>> proverbs of the founders of this country rather than patronizing 
>> specific identity groups with such pander.
>> 
>>> I realize that I have a head start on you, having trained people from
>>> some of those countries to be truck drivers, but others I know outside
>>> of being a trainer.
>> 
>> I am of of course at at acknowledged intellectual disadvantage in the 
>> realm of cred when discussing geopoloitics, after all you are a truck 
>> driver.
>
>Here's Rudd, proving he's the pompous slut I've always know him to be. 
>Again.

And just think, I wouldn't even know he replied.  Never the less, I
appreciate what you said.   Now let me get this right, now that it is
open season on stereotypical observations.  Steve, who earns his
living in advertising, which is the same thing as earning your living
my misleading the public about such things as product usefulness and
safety, while leading to the death and or injuries of millions of
consumers, many of whom are children, not to mention, wasted dollars,
some how is in a position to dismiss me for being a truck driver. WOW.
>
>>  
>>> If we only associate ourselves with white rednecks, we are not likely
>>> to know much about the real world, or even our own country.
>> 
>> Then again, you grew up in Texas, right? I grew up in Puerto Rico, 
>> Florida, California, London, NYC, and other places I forget, where it 
>> was damn difficult to find this "white redneck" you speak of.

Key words, "Grew Up", I did, you don't show it.

>We don't care where you were raised, all we want to know is why did the 
>best part of you dribble down your mother's leg?

That sounds like the kind of childish, playground crap we have had to
listen to in this group, from other children, for years.

Steve, you Dad called and needs to use the computer.
>
>> 
>> Given that, what is this "we" stuff?