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Al wrote:
> In article <13dsip88cmhkp03@corp.supernews.com>,
>  Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
> 
>> Al wrote:
>>> In article <fesrd3dp1ubg4d042kgu01i2c7riec8l62@4ax.com>,
>>>  Ron Johnson <bugman@KILLSPAMMERSairmail.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:19:14 -0500, Suburbanaristic
>>>> <Musselman@wohoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've often wondered this myself...
>>>>>
>>>>> **I've never been to Africa but I know that it's a more culturally and 
>>>>> politically diverse place than we in the West often give it credit for. 
>>>>> We say "African" as if it accurately, or at least adequately, captures 
>>>>> everything about that vast continent. I understand the complaint. 
>>>>> Liberals and conservative alike do it. We can talk about it at length if 
>>>>> you like. But...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why on Earth do Hillary Clinton et al. think that Africa Ð never mind 
>>>>> African "tribes" Ð are a compelling philosophical and political role 
>>>>> model for the United States of America? Africa? Africa? At least when 
>>>>> they invoke Europe as a public policy North Star they have in mind a 
>>>>> first world economy and government. But Africa?
>>>>>
>>>>> On what conceivable grounds is it warranted to say, "What would the 
>>>>> Africans do?" Even on the wishy-washy proverbial terrain Clinton is 
>>>>> usually dealing with Ð "children," "villages," etc Ð is there any 
>>>>> empirical basis for arguing that the African Way is superior to our own? 
>>>>> Maybe there are studies that show "Africans" are happier than Americans 
>>>>> Ð when the former aren't dying of malnutrition or medieval health care, 
>>>>> or desperately trying to emigrate to the West, no doubt. But even if 
>>>>> such studies exist, I doubt that any of the Africaphiles have that sort 
>>>>> of thing in mind when they talk about the ancient Wisdom we should 
>>>>> borrow from over there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even more fascinating: why do so many people uncritically accept these 
>>>>> appeals to African wisdom?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/27vnlq
>>>> If you got out more, and learned some things about Africa, (More than
>>>> you learned from watching, "Tarzan", you might understand.   I have
>>>> friends from a number of African Countries, Nigerians, Sudanese,
>>>> Kenyans, South Africans, and more.
>>> Well, good for you, but actually we do know quite a bit about Africa in 
>>> the context that the writer is referencing, if we were to "get out 
>>> more", we perhaps may find that, indeed, we should be more like Africa, 
>>> but I kinda think that's not too likely.
>>>
>>> After all, we are continually told that Africa "must be saved", but that 
>>> the rich history of Africa is a model somehow through their quaint 
>>> ancient customs.
>>>
>>> It would make better sense for a presidential candidate to quote the 
>>> proverbs of the founders of this country rather than patronizing 
>>> specific identity groups with such pander.
>>>
>>>> I realize that I have a head start on you, having trained people from
>>>> some of those countries to be truck drivers, but others I know outside
>>>> of being a trainer.
>>> I am of of course at at acknowledged intellectual disadvantage in the 
>>> realm of cred when discussing geopoloitics, after all you are a truck 
>>> driver.
>> Here's Rudd, proving he's the pompous slut I've always know him to be. 
>> Again.
> 
> Well, actually, Ron stated a "qualifier" in regards to his claimed 
> advantageous educational exposure to certain people people through his 
> job, he's the one who made the connection.

I don't necessarily disagree with his point, and he didn't attempt to 
use your trade as a club against you either.  Regardless, he seems to 
have paid attention, you didn't.

>   
>>>> If we only associate ourselves with white rednecks, we are not likely
>>>> to know much about the real world, or even our own country.
>>> Then again, you grew up in Texas, right? I grew up in Puerto Rico, 
>>> Florida, California, London, NYC, and other places I forget, where it 
>>> was damn difficult to find this "white redneck" you speak of.
>> We don't care where you were raised,
> 
> Then basically you are here to endorse Ron's qualifier while informing 
> me mine are irrelevant, leveling the playing fied as it were.
> 
> Isn't that essentially an argument based on (gasp) Disenfranchisement??!!

Dunno, do you feel disenfranchised?  If not, then why do you care?  If 
you do, take it up with someone that gives a shit.

> 
>> all we want to know is why did the 
>> best part of you dribble down your mother's leg?
> 
> I will look into that and get back to you.


You'll "look into it"?  Now, that's funny.


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jer
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