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"Dave Smith" <adavid.smith@DELETETOREPLYsympatico.ca> wrote in message 
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> SaPeIsMa wrote:
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>>>>> They had their chance to beat the Viet Minh at Dien Bein Phu when the 
>>>>> French requested air strikes against the enemy positions surrounding 
>>>>> the French forces. Instead, they allowed the French to be defeated, 
>>>>> and then ended up losing 60,000 of their own troops, and hundreds of 
>>>>> thousands more wounded, and wasting billions of dollars...... and 
>>>>> lost.  It is a recurring theme. Americans are on the winning side when 
>>>>> they join their friends and allies in a noble cause, but when they go 
>>>>> it alone in major conflicts they end up losing.
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>>>> Nice work at revisionism
>>>> Definitely worthy of your namesake from 1984
>>>
>>> Yeah yeah yeah.... I guess you found it too hard to rebut the facts so 
>>> you had to resort to a weak minded insult.  The fact is that the French 
>>> asked the US to hit the Vietnamese attackers with an air strike, but the 
>>> US wouldn't do it. The fact is that the Geneva Accord called for a 
>>> plebiscite on reunification, but the US was backing a corrupt South 
>>> Vietnames regime and supported their refusal to hold the vote because 
>>> they new the North would win.  Then they used the Tonkin non-incident as 
>>> an excuse to send in their armed forces, losing  60,000 young American 
>>> lives, hundreds of thousands more wounded, billions of dollars wasted, 
>>> more than a million Vietnamese killed..... and lost the war.
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>> Too bad that all that shit has nothing to do with the fact that following 
>> the failure of the Tet Offensive, the North Vietnamese had de facto been 
>> demolished in their military endeavor
>> Something that was confirmed in the memoirs of the commander of the North 
>> Vietnamese forces
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> If anyone could be accused of revisionism, it would be you. The fact is 
> the the US lost the war in Vietnam. The Viet Cong and NVA lost a lot of 
> men in the Tet Offensive, but that was in 1968, and the war went on for 
> several more years. In 1968 the US lost the highest number of troops in 
> Vietnam, and the second worst year for them was 1969, the year after Tet 
> when they lost more than they had in the year preceding Tet. That would 
> seem to contradict your argument that the North had been militarily 
> demolished.
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>> Which is why the North Vietnamese put all their efforts into the Peace 
>> talks, and the Lefties and the Dems went along and lost diplomatically 
>> where the military had succeeded.
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> They put all their efforts into the peace talks??? The same peace talks 
> that they would not attend? Nixon launched Operation Linebacker to force 
> them back to the negotiations.  Nixon, BTW, was a Republican who 
> campaigned with a promise to get the US out of the war.
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>> As I said, revisionist bullshit has always been the forte of the left
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> LOL you get the facts backwards and accuse others of revisionism.
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keep dancing smithy
Your literary namesake would be able to learn from you