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Article #7700Re: Let's face it.
From: Masaki Nishikawa
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1992 11:54
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1992 11:54
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Hi, Mr.Mathias.
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Thank you very much for your follow.
I greatly appriciated your opinion.
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I'm Nishikawa who suggested to Mr.Yamashiki
that "Let's face it" can be taken as a kind of pun (double meanings).
1. Let's do "what we don't want to do" because it is necessary.
2. literally "face" orc's face.
"To face orc's face" is "what we don't want to do" because orcs are ugly.
> Sorry about the English. I do not yet have Japanese-text input capabilities.
> Bart Mathias
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Please don't mind!
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But, I'm sorry to tell you that the Japanese part of your article
(quoted from Mr.Yamashiki's article) was corrupted.
In article <1992Jun20.062122.15702@news.Hawaii.Edu>,
mathias@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gerald B. Mathias) says:
> t_yamasi@hoffman.cc.sophia.ac.jp (Yamashiki Tsuyoshi):
>>Readers of which English is your first language, what do you say?
>>I'd really like to know.
>
> I haven't seen a response to Mr. Yamashiki's query, so I feel the call of
> duty as a reader of which English is my first language.
>
> Mr. Nishikawa's suggestion is ingenious, and all his suggested translations
> strike me as being in the ball park (on the right track), but as for the
> specific interpretation "(it = orc's face)," there are two reasons why it
> would be difficult for a native speaker to get.
>
> 1) We are too familiar with the expression "Let's face it" and accustomed
> to understanding "it" to mean "this fact that we would like to avoid if
> we could."
> 2) The sentence begins "Half-Orcs ARE." Thus there is more than one (half-)
> orc, and we would have to face "them," not "it." There is a growing
> tendency in English to say "it" for "them," but I think not so soon
> after a plural verb.
2) $B$NLdBj$K$D$$$F$O!"(BYamashiki $B$5$s$X%a!<%k$7$?$9$0$"$H$K5$$,$D$-$^$7$?!#(B
I found the problem 2) immidiately after I had sent the mail to Mr.Yamashiki.
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I agree to your opinion, "it would be difficult for a native speaker
to get (to recognize it as a pun)".
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I still believe that it is a kind of pun, though only the author knows.
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I asked my English teacher about this question,
but I couldn't explain "my TRUE question (Is it a pun or not?)"
to him clearly enough in English
and I couldn't get clear answer (like yours!) from him.
# my poor English!! sigh.....
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I'm afraid that I'm TOO sensitive to punny sentences
because I love novels full of puns
(ex. A.A.Milne's "Winnie-the-Pooh", Piers Anthony's "Xanth" novels). :-)
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To ALL readers:
Sorry, this article may be almost a private mail.
I dare to post this because I believe someone would be interested in.
nishi-m@sm.sony.co.jp (Masaki Nishikawa)
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X-Google-Language: Japanese,JIS X-Google-Thread: ffb0e,70400a824be8430b X-Google-Attributes: gidffb0e,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1992-06-19 21:46:36 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!ccut!wnoc-tyo-news!scslwide!wsgw!wsservra!nishi-m From: nishi-m@sm.sony.co.jp (Masaki Nishikawa) Newsgroups: fj.sci.lang Subject: Re: Let's face it. Message-ID: <1992Jun20.115431.17613@sm.sony.co.jp> Date: 20 Jun 92 11:54:31 GMT References: <1992Jun20.062122.15702@news.Hawaii.Edu> Sender: news@sm.sony.co.jp (Usenet News System) Distribution: fj Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation Lines: 85 Nntp-Posting-Host: nishim1