🚀 go-pugleaf

I've been using PayPal and eBay for 6 years.  Works perfect as far as I'm
concerned.  No problems whatsoever.

Of course I don't expect eBay to bail me out if I make a stupid purchase nor
do I expect PayPal to.  It is buyer beware, there always seems to be someone
willing to rip you off.  Happens outside of eBay every day.

"Packrat46" <phillip.coyle@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:weGIf.9570$Lr.3481@trnddc01...
> In some cases this is true. I will never use paypal again after they tried
> to rip me off a few years ago and I am not the only one just go to
> www.paypalsucks.com  and you will see for yourself how paypal works.
>
>
> "ebaysucks" <ebaysuckss@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:2NEIf.16159$7C3.2841@trnddc08...
> > This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence
> > buyers beware
> >
> > My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat  do not under
any
> > circumstance give your checking account or credit card to these people.
> > They have figured a way to legitimize  being taken to the cleaners.
They
> > will , can and do take your money out of your account automatically and
> > you will be left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone
uses
> > that line DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often
> > people needed to do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's
> > just one tell tale sign its not if, its when and for how much before
your
> > going to lose on a transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full  of fraud
> >>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and trust
> >>> me there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to risk
> >>> losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.
> >>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer
> >>> Protection
> >>> your liable to have to get  it checked out to prove its bad, depending
> >>> on
> >>> a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and  so so
far
> >>> I
> >>> can't have
> >>> it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
> >>> dollars
> >>> though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you
read
> >>> small print and your automatically going to be out that if you
complain
> >>> ..so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even with
> >>> paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a bigger
> >>> chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't
> >>> care
> >>> what happens cause you have little recourse.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> that's just the beginning of the rants
> >> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please listen
> >> carefully
> >> lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a
awful
> >> beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place ( sell
> >> items with chance to get reasonable return)
> >> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item,
what
> >> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. How
> >> much
> >> time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to
be
> >> bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours doing
> >> it
> >> for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I
> >> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie
> >> to
> >> you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you
off
> >> their backs and each representative tells you something different, and
I
> >> couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or
> >> redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place but
> >> most
> >> of it is just winging it.  A large percent of auctions are for bad
> >> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often won't
> >> get
> >> your
> >> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often
> >> just
> >> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
> >> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
> >> middleman like a bookie
> >>
> >> Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis, don't
> >> ever
> >> give paypal your checking account . They can and do automatically take
> >> out
> >> funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in
my
> >> view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't
believe
> >> its
> >> very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the overall
> >> process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers
who
> >> claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not the
> >> same
> >> item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and on.
At
> >> some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and this
> >> is
> >> why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its
> >> just
> >> as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is
> >> with
> >> them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to
> >> Paypal
> >> or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able to
> >> spot
> >> the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often
> >> doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise. NOTONCE
> >> not
> >> twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these
> >> people
> >> your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your
> >> life?
> >> NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no
or
> >> little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal
your
> >> credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..
> >>
> >>
> >>> My complaints about ebay and paypal are these
> >>> there are many scam sellers who don't sell quality good based on their
> >>> descriptions
> >>> Unless your very knowledgably about examining every detail of item and
> >>> auction you can very easily be defrauded.
> >>> Ebay and Paypal does not make getting help or feedback easy. Paypal
> >>> protection for people who claim an item is a certain way is limited
> >>> often
> >>> enough  to making said person who got bad item making them pay to
prove
> >>> it.
> >>> without paypal protection I got defrauded more times then not. Buyer
> >>> beware
> >>> and its  happened more and more recently.. In my subjective view >>
this
> >>> is a way for people to legally get away with fraud and pay pal has
> >>> actually lied to me , and
> >>> on
> >>> the phone which was not easy to find the number conveniently. What a
> >>> racket.
> > On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?
> >>> You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to sports events
who
> >>> could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not
> >>> against them I am just
> >>> showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you
> >>> wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end you
> >>> end up losing .>>
> >> that's just the beginning of the rants
> > Here is more in case you choose to use ebay
> > lots and lots of fees
> > When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item,
what
> > auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. When
I
> > complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie
to
> > you ( swear to god paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
> > their backs and each representative tells you something different,)or
> > redirect you to another link. A large percent of auctions are for bad
> > merchandise to some extent or another, and you never or often won't get
> > your
> > money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often
> > just
> > takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
> > Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
> > middleman like a bookie
> >
> >
> > <teethering@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:MGpGf.9028$0i1.4857@trnddc04...
> >> for as long as I am online
> >> Its full of fraud
> >> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud
> >> Even if you buy bad item like electronics
> >> your liable to have it checked out to prove its bad, so so far I can't
> >> have it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
> >> dollars though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless
> >> you
> >> read small print.so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping
even
> >> with paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
> >> bigger chance of automatic loss.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> ">>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
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