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Let me tell you something. I hate liars and paypal representatives lied to 
me over and over. I thought I was dealing with real company that was above 
board with billions of dollars of assets and told the truth.. I now realize 
why Ebay is full of sellers that paypal and ebay protect no matter if its 
good or bad.
"Packrat46" <phillip.coyle@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:weGIf.9570$Lr.3481@trnddc01...
> In some cases this is true. I will never use paypal again after they tried 
> to rip me off a few years ago and I am not the only one just go to 
> www.paypalsucks.com  and you will see for yourself how paypal works.
>
>
> "ebaysucks" <ebaysuckss@mail.com> wrote in message 
> news:2NEIf.16159$7C3.2841@trnddc08...
>> This is just my opinion, do your own due diligence
>> buyers beware
>>
>> My opinion is ebay and paypal is full of fraud . Repeat  do not under any 
>> circumstance give your checking account or credit card to these people. 
>> They have figured a way to legitimize  being taken to the cleaners.  They 
>> will , can and do take your money out of your account automatically and 
>> you will be left with : DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL . Whenever anyone uses 
>> that line DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL , that should tell you, how often 
>> people needed to do just that and for good reason and couldn't. That's 
>> just one tell tale sign its not if, its when and for how much before your 
>> going to lose on a transaction. In my estimation Ebay is full  of fraud
>>>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud and trust 
>>>> me there are many things to look for and spot if you are going to risk 
>>>> losing your money on a auction or transaction on Ebay or Paypal.
>>>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics and you use Paypal Buyer 
>>>> Protection
>>>> your liable to have to get  it checked out to prove its bad, depending 
>>>> on
>>>> a totally subjective process that may not be consistent, and  so so far 
>>>> I
>>>> can't have
>>>> it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30 
>>>> dollars
>>>> though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless you read
>>>> small print and your automatically going to be out that if you complain
>>>> ..so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping even with
>>>> paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a bigger
>>>> chance of automatic loss because people who sell and defraud , don't 
>>>> care
>>>> what happens cause you have little recourse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> that's just the beginning of the rants
>>> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay or paypal and please listen
>>> carefully
>>> lots and lots of fees, before you know it, your goingto be taking a 
>>> awful
>>> beating and sabotaging the reason to use ebay in the first place ( sell
>>> items with chance to get reasonable return)
>>> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, 
>>> what
>>> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. How 
>>> much
>>> time do you have? Part of it is because ebay and paypal don't want to be
>>> bothered , cause why should they , if your willing to spend hours doing 
>>> it
>>> for them, or if you decide to give up , they win .When I
>>> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie 
>>> to
>>> you ( swear to God paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
>>> their backs and each representative tells you something different, and I
>>> couldn't make this up even if I wanted to,)or
>>> redirect you to another link. I am sure there are policies in place but 
>>> most
>>> of it is just winging it.  A large percent of auctions are for bad
>>> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never are or often won't 
>>> get
>>> your
>>> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
>>> just
>>> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
>>> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
>>> middleman like a bookie
>>>
>>> Finally don't ever and I repeat this with no uncertain emphasis, don't 
>>> ever
>>> give paypal your checking account . They can and do automatically take 
>>> out
>>> funds from your account. The overall policies affecting complaints in my
>>> view is based on loose interpretations of what happened. I don't believe 
>>> its
>>> very objective but sometimes it can't be with the nature of the overall
>>> process being what it is. I mean anything could be said, from sellers 
>>> who
>>> claim they didn't get their items back , to people who say its not the 
>>> same
>>> item, to people say the seller did whatever and it could go on and on. 
>>> At
>>> some point, there is no way to determine who is right or wrong and this 
>>> is
>>> why more then anything else, the protection programs do not work. Its 
>>> just
>>> as possible to get ripped off by Paypal siding with scammers as it is 
>>> with
>>> them siding for what is right. It really does not matter sometimes to 
>>> Paypal
>>> or ebay its all so subjective. I will repeat this you got to be able to 
>>> spot
>>> the myriad of different frauds and tactics out there and paypal often
>>> doesn't do a thing to remove sellers who sold bad merchandise. NOTONCE 
>>> not
>>> twice , not three times but often hundreds of times. And with these 
>>> people
>>> your suppose to defend your self each time and take out hours of your 
>>> life?
>>> NOOO be prepared to have your money taken out of your account with no or
>>> little recourse. I am repeat , in no way should you ever give paypal 
>>> your
>>> credit information or bank account. I learned the hard way..
>>>
>>>
>>>> My complaints about ebay and paypal are these
>>>> there are many scam sellers who don't sell quality good based on their
>>>> descriptions
>>>> Unless your very knowledgably about examining every detail of item and
>>>> auction you can very easily be defrauded.
>>>> Ebay and Paypal does not make getting help or feedback easy. Paypal
>>>> protection for people who claim an item is a certain way is limited 
>>>> often
>>>> enough  to making said person who got bad item making them pay to prove
>>>> it.
>>>> without paypal protection I got defrauded more times then not. Buyer
>>>> beware
>>>> and its  happened more and more recently.. In my subjective view >> 
>>>> this is a way for people to legally get away with fraud and pay pal has 
>>>> actually lied to me , and
>>>> on
>>>> the phone which was not easy to find the number conveniently. What a
>>>> racket.
>> On another Note You know who does the best on Ebay?
>>>> You know who does the best? People who sell tickets to sports events 
>>>> who
>>>> could not do it legally in front of game or anywhere else. I am not 
>>>> against them I am just
>>>> showing how ebay and paypal just let things happen that usually you 
>>>> wouldn't have happen anywhere else in legal format and in the end you 
>>>> end up losing .>>
>>> that's just the beginning of the rants
>> Here is more in case you choose to use ebay
>> lots and lots of fees
>> When buyer backs out, when auctions go bad, when you get a bad item, what
>> auction to bid on, how to get answers, is often a myriad of links. When I
>> complained to ebay or paypal they often do what lousy scammers do ; lie 
>> to
>> you ( swear to god paypal representatives just lie to you to get you off
>> their backs and each representative tells you something different,)or
>> redirect you to another link. A large percent of auctions are for bad
>> merchandise to some extent or another, and you never or often won't get 
>> your
>> money back unless you use paypal protection and even then paypal often 
>> just
>> takes the money out of sellers or buyers account after many many days.
>> Paypal really isn't guaranteeing anything and often  just an uncaring
>> middleman like a bookie
>>
>>
>> <teethering@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:MGpGf.9028$0i1.4857@trnddc04...
>>> for as long as I am online
>>> Its full of fraud
>>> you have to be able to spot all the techniques to spot fraud
>>> Even if you buy bad item like electronics
>>> your liable to have it checked out to prove its bad, so so far I can't
>>> have it checked out for less then $40dollars. Assume it only costs $30
>>> dollars though, Paypal certainly doesn't make this policy clear unless 
>>> you
>>> read small print.so ultimately buyer is not protected after shipping 
>>> even
>>> with paypal protection. Without paypal protection your even taking a
>>> bigger chance of automatic loss.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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