🚀 go-pugleaf

"Howard Goldstein" <hgoldste@mpcs.com> wrote in message
news:987257846.8669@news.queue.to...
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 07:51:01 GMT, admin@mixmaster.shinn.net.no.spam.to
<admin@mixmaster.shinn.net.no.spam.to> wrote:
>  : In fl.config Howard Goldstein <hgoldste@mpcs.com> wrote:
>  : > :    1.  In fl.* only, a UDP on the remailers that allow forged
From:s
>  : > :    (I think there are three of them, the folks in apas can help out
>  : > :    here)(note I would not be in favor of UDPing cotse however)
>  : >
>  : > But no retraction here.  I propose a UDP in fl.* on shinn.net
>  : > mixmaster remailings because of the following forgeries:
>  :
>  : Have you looked at the headers or bothered to contact the admin of the
>  : gateway (apparently not)?  The examples you give are not from our
remailer,
>  : but are from the Frog remailer (we do not allow forged from: lines thru
>  : our remailer) and our policy specifically forbids forging from: lines
>  : thru our mail2news gateway.  Forged from: lines, when reported, will be
>  : blocked thru our gateway.
>
> This is still a pre-UDP discussion so there's plenty of time to
> finetune proposed cancel rules.  Quickly going through my local
> newsbot's archive one common stigmata are within the bangpaths,
> showing Barry's machine apparently fed by mixmaster.shinn.net which in
> is advertising itself being fed by usenet-gateway-x[some_number]
> boxes.  Thus the proposal to udp shinn.net mixmaster remailings.
>
> For precision's sake that should probably have read as a proposed UDP
> in fl.* on articles carrying mixmaster.shinn.net in the path.
>
>
>  :
>  : > #1
>  : >
>  : > Path:
...!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!newsfeed
2.skycache.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news
.gtei.net!news.tele.dk!mixmaster.shinn.net!usenet-gateway-x2!usenet-gateway
>  : > Return-Path: <FrogBounce@iFrance.com>
>  : > Date: 30 Mar 2001 02:26:29 -0000
>  : > Message-ID: <LW1QQVWO36980.1850578704@frog.nyarlatheotep.org>
>  : > From: "R.J. Goldman" <rgoldman@bellsouth.net>
>  : > Subject: New tale (ff)
>  : > Newsgroups: fl.general,alt.sex.stories
>  : > X-No-Archive: yes
>  : > Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above
address.
>  : >        It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail
services.
>  : >        You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP
!!!
>  : >        Get information about complaints from the URL below
>  : > X-Remailer-Contact: http://yi.org/frogadmin/
>  : > Mail-To-News-Contact: mail2news-abuse@mixmaster.shinn.net
>  : > Organization: mail2news@mixmaster.shinn.net
>  : > Lines: 1710
>  : >
>  : > [snip]
>  : >
>  : > #2
>  : >
>  : > Path:
...!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!mixmaster.shinn.net!usenet-gateway-x2
!usenet-gateway
>  : > Return-Path: <FrogBounce@iFrance.com>
>  : > Date: 30 Mar 2001 00:35:34 -0000
>  : > Message-ID: <81XHLY4E36980.1080324074@frog.nyarlatheotep.org>
>  : > From: Marsha <mhuckins@bellsouth.net>
>  : > Subject: About the simpsons
>  : > Newsgroups: fl.general,alt.tv.simpsons
>  : > Comments: This message probably did not originate from the above
address.
>  : >        It was automatically remailed by one or more anonymous mail
services.
>  : >        You should NEVER trust ANY address on Usenet ANYWAYS: use PGP
!!!
>  : >        Get information about complaints from the URL below
>  : > X-Remailer-Contact: http://yi.org/frogadmin/
>  : > Mail-To-News-Contact: mail2news-abuse@mixmaster.shinn.net
>  : > Organization: mail2news@mixmaster.shinn.net
>  :
>  : Again, look at the headers.  These a posts from the Frog remailer
>  : gatewayed by our mail2news gateway.
>
> I understand.  Getting a handle on the common point of abuse dispersal
> works in similar situations however (as for ex. with open wingates,
> fucked up DNEWS installs, open mail relays, and the like) You're in an
> unenviable position here.  It's likely you don't condone the forgeries
> but I don't see how you can avoid responsibility for them by virtue of
> their haivng been gatewayed.  It's not clear how they'd get into fl.*
> but for the gateway.
>
>  : One simple e-mail to us would
>  : suffice to have thge forged from: lines blocked, but thats not
>  : going to solve the problem of that from: line being forged the Frog
>  : remailer (and any other host we do not have control over).


Howard it is simple, Shinn won't do anything to spare the infected
newsgroups from the abuse.