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Article #1851Re: xboard and WinBoard 4.2.4 released
From: Tim Mann
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:19
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:19
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In article <MPG.16819a496b656dbd98988f@news.cyburban.com>, Alberich wrote: > So, I hit a nerve, huh? My accurate assessments of the deficiences of > Winboard are pretty on the nose, I'm sorry to say. No, that wasn't the nerve you hit. The nerve you hit was one that gets raw for a lot of free, open source software authors -- the one that aches when people who get things for free just keep demanding more and more, and are not even polite about it. In writing free software, I'm giving you something at no charge that you are free to use if you like, and free to contribute to and improve if you see things that need improvement. But your attitude is to sit back and harshly criticize the software for lacking some things you want and for not being as polished as a commercial product. You speak condescendingly, and order me (all your "suggestions" were in the imperative) to do things. You take the position of a dissatisfied customer who has paid money for a product and threatens to take his business elsewhere unless the product is improved in the next release. That's not how it works with free software. Some people might write it for fame and glory and be constantly striving to get as many users as possible and to be better than any of the competing products. But most of us write free software to "scratch an itch" -- we write it because we want it to do something for ourselves, or for fun. Then we give it away so that others can use it, or improve it, to scratch their itch. Attempting to light a fire under someone like me only gets me grouchy, because I don't like sitting on top of fires. I personally am pretty tired of xboard/WinBoard after having been working on them on and off for 10 years. For the last couple of years I've done very little on them. I don't play chess myself anymore, nor am I interested in writing chess engines or collecting them and matching them against each other, so I no longer have an itch to scratch. Actually, working at my regular job is much more fun. But since there is a large user base including many nonprogrammers, and I'm a nice guy, I've continued to put in a small amount of effort. Version 4.2.4 is the first release in 10 months, and is a bugfix-only release, precisely because I'm no longer excited about this project. I guess you think your message was a sort of contribution -- you say you're trying to help. Well, it's helpful to know what users want. It's more pleasant when they can say what they want with some politeness and respect. Also, in this case, all but one of the items you suggested have been suggested many times before, and I'm well aware that adding them would be an improvement. None of them can be done with "a few lines of code" -- if I'm mistaken about that, please demonstrate by writing those lines of code and contributing them. The one new suggestion was having multiple PGN files with index windows open at once. The fact that no one else suggested that before may give you a hint that others don't see it as being such an important feature as you seem to. I'll certainly record it on the wishlist, though, where it will sit with the couple hundred other items people have asked for until someone gets itchy enough to code it up and contribute it. -- Tim Mann usenet@tim-mann.org http://www.tim-mann.org/
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10d71d,3fffd13e5ba818aa X-Google-Attributes: gid10d71d,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-12-12 20:50:28 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news3 From: usenet@tim-mann.org (Tim Mann) Newsgroups: gnu.chess Subject: Re: xboard and WinBoard 4.2.4 released Date: 13 Dec 2001 04:19:36 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 57 Message-ID: <slrna1gb2o.t05.usenet@giga.mumblefrotz.org> References: <9v1bru027rr@enews4.newsguy.com> <3c156fbf.199258783@news.lafn.org> <slrna1bdl7.pfn.usenet@giga.mumblefrotz.org> <MPG.168084f7275dc8dc98988c@news.cyburban.com> <slrna1dt4f.r9g.usenet@giga.mumblefrotz.org> <MPG.16819a496b656dbd98988f@news.cyburban.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-849.newsdawg.com User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.1 (Linux)