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In article <9208101739.AA12896@a.cs.uiuc.edu>, G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:

(talking about trimming files from the Epoch distribution)

> Fine by me. But doesn't your "editing" of the distribution violate the
> GNU General Licence?

Which section of the GPL does it violate?  As far as I can tell from
reading it, you're allowed to make and distribute modified versions of
GPL'd programs; you just have to distribute the source code of the
modified versions.  (For that matter, the stuff that was getting
trimmed isn't even source code, so I'm not convinced that it is
relevant, but that's another issue entirely.)

david carlton
carlton@husc.harvard.edu

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>>  -- using template mhl.format --
>> Date:    Sat, 08 Aug 92 19:13:06 PDT
>> To:      epoch@edu.uiuc.cs
>> 
>> From:    marca@edu.uiuc.ncsa (Marc Andreessen)
>> Subject: useless files in Epoch distribution...
>> 
>> Return-Path: <epoch-m@edu.uiuc.cs>
>> 
>> I'm considering axing a bunch of files from the Epoch distribution.
>> These files would include everything VMS-specific (since apparently
>> Epoch won't compile under VMS without extensive modifications anyway)
>> as well as files from 'etc' as follows:
>> 
>>   3B-MAXMEM 2K
>>   AIX.DUMP 11K
>>   APPLE 3K
>>   BABYL 5K
>>   CCADIFF 7K
>>   COOKIES 5K
>>   DIFF 30K
>>   GNU.JOKES 1K
>>   GOSDIFF 24K
>>   LEDIT 3K
>>   NICKLES.WORTH 13K
>>   ONEWS 51K
>>   OONEWS 48K
>>   SUN-SUPPORT 9K
>>   SUN-BUG 2K
>>   XDOC 18K
>>   Xkeymap.txt 10K
>>   calibacy.1 0K
>>   echo.msg 3K
>>   emacs.icon 2K
>>   emacs.names 7K
>>   emacstool.1 5K
>>   emacstool.c 14K
>>   ledit.l 5K
>>   leditcfns.c 1K
>>   qsort.c 6K
>>   sex.6 2K
>>   termcap.dat 58K
>>   termcap.ucb 130K
>>   ulimit.hack 1K
>>   xmouse.doc 1K
>> 
>> (Those files were chosen because they're out of date, not useful, or
>> both.)
>> 
>> Chopping these files from the distribution would decrease its size by
>> about 500K, which would be nice.
>> 
>> If anyone has objections to this (because of a sentimental attachment
>> to Richard Stallman's cookie recipe, or something), please let me
>> know...
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Marc
>> 
>> --
>> Marc Andreessen
>> Epoch Development Team
>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>> marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu
>> 


Fine by me. But doesn't your "editing" of the distribution violate the
GNU General Licence?

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In article <9208101739.AA12896@a.cs.uiuc.edu>, G.Joly@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Gordon Joly) writes:
> [The entire contents of Mark's original post]
> Fine by me. But doesn't your "editing" of the distribution violate the
> GNU General Licence?

Not at all. Since those files are, in fact, useless and not part of
any binary generated by or with Epoch, they are not part of the
"source" covered in the General License. Distributions without them
will still contain the complete Epoch source. Omitting them is no more
breaking the license than our failure to included code we have deleted
from the .c files.

-- 
Alan M. Carroll          "Weren't there yams involved, too?" - J. Ockerbloom
Epoch Development Team   
Urbana Il.               "I hate shopping with the reality-impaired" - Susan

In article <9208090213.AA14552@wintermute.ncsa.uiuc.edu> marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen) writes:

   I'm considering axing a bunch of files from the Epoch distribution.

Here are my comments on some of the files you mentioned.

* APPLE

  Please keep, out of respect for the wishes of the FSF.

* BABYL, CCADIFF, DIFF, GOSDIFF, ONEWS, OONEWS

  These files are useful documentation.

* celibacy.1, sex.6

  There is Emacs Lisp code which won't be useful if these files are
  removed.  Also, the combination is a good joke.

* emacstool.1, emacstool.c

  Are you distributing Andy Norman's gnuserv instead?  If not, how do you
  plan to replace this functionality?  These two files are very useful.

-- 
Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu>
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>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Wells <jbw@bigbird.bu.edu>

 Joe> * emacstool.1, emacstool.c

 Joe>   Are you distributing Andy Norman's gnuserv instead?  If not, how do you
 Joe> plan to replace this functionality?  These two files are very useful.
This isn't the emacsclient stuff (which is what corresponds to gnuserv). The
'emacstool' files have to do with SunView support. Doesn't sound particularly
useful in a program like epoch that is really intended for the X Window
System.

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