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In article <1991Apr18.081728.14658@mack.uit.no> eystein@hannibal.hsn.no (Eystein Mathisen) writes:

I'm sorry I'm replying to the whole net, but "r" doesnt seem to work for me
under gnus just right now...

Epoch is Gnu Emacs 18.55 with extensions to make it "more closely bound into"
X11.  It will run with X11R3 or R4.  It works with (almost) all window
managers/looks&feels that we know of.  Features include:

*	multiple x-windows.
*	properties, client messages etc.
*	ability to mark regions of text by font, color, inverse, underline,
	read-only and stipple (fixed-width fonts only at present).


	   * Does it run under X on Apollo/Domain SR10.2 OS ?

Yes

	   * How much RAM is required to have a reasonable response ?

Whatever you need to run X plus your applications plus about 2meg for Epoch
(although, like Emacs, the more you're doing with it the bigger it can
grow).  On a sparc, I'd expect that to get reasonable response from almost
any X-client I'd need at least 12 meg.  

	   * How many Mbytes of disk-space is required to install it ?

About the same size as GnuEmacs:  say around 20 meg,  the distribution is
around 12 meg.  You need to keep the binary and lisp directories
afterwards.  You can share the Epoch lisp files with GnuEmacs but not the
other way around.

	   * Is it an editor that can serve as a programming-environment
	     in a 1st year course in programming ?

Well, if you would use GnuEmacs then yes, otherwise no.  We do use Emacs
here with our 1st year cs students.

	   * Is it easy to learn ?

No harder than Emacs.  its Emacs + some fairly obvious additional
keybindings, altho of course its infinitely extensible, how baroque do you
want to/need to  get?

	   * Where can I get it (i.e. is it ftp-able or do I have to
	     purchase it) ?

ftp from cs.uiuc.edu by anonftp.  Get the file
pub/epoch-files/epoch/epoch-3.2.tar.Z and the 2 patch files.  Apply the
patches.  

Epoch is in use at NIT in trondheim, you can perhaps get it from them if
there is a problem with FTP.

It has a reasonable (we think) programmers guide, and a pretty basic users
guide.  We assume you already know emacs and have access to the emacs
documentation.  That's available from the FSF, details in the epoch
distribution somewhere (try the toplevel README file)

Look in etc/Machines for special details concerning building on your
architecture.


   Thanks.
   Eystein Mathisen, Nordland College,
   Norway.
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>>>>> Eystein Mathisen <eystein@hannibal.hsn.no  > on 18 Apr 91 in [Questions about epoch] writes:
> Could somebody tell me the basic features of epoch? As far as I know
> it is a window-based, emacs-like editor (I may be wrong). Some
> questions to guide your answers are:

Epoch is not Emacs like. It is Emacs (version 18.55 to be specific).
It does everything Emacs does with two exceptions:
	It does not handle dumb terminals. Int only works with X
	windows. 

	It does not do batch processing.

Because of these two reasons, we are still using Emacs too.

> 	* Does it run under X on Apollo/Domain SR10.2 OS ?

I'm not sure about 10.2. However, I'm using it with 10.3 with no
problems. I would suspect it would work fine with 10.2. I have used it
with the Xapollo server under 10.3, and this is pretty much the same
environment as 10.2 with that X windows PSK.

> 	* How much RAM is required to have a reasonable response ?

I've got a DN4500 with 16 Mbytes. It is acceptable. But MUCH slower
than regular Emacs. I wouldn't try it on anything less than 16 Mbytes,
and a DN3500. You'd be looking for trouble on a 8 Mbyte DN3000.

> 	* How many Mbytes of disk-space is required to install it ?

My /usr/local/epoch directory is about 30 Mbytes when completly full.
This includes all the object files, and a couple of executables for
both the m68k and a88k. Cleaning things up will bring you down to 23
Mbytes or so.

> 	* Is it an editor that can serve as a programming-environment
> 	  in a 1st year course in programming ?

You might think about Emacs 18.57 with Leonard Zubkoff's GPR patches.
It runs quicker, requires less memory, and is simpler. This is only a
good option if you are running in a DM environment. If so, it is
probably a better solution than Epoch. If you are running an X
environment, Epoch, or Emacs for X windows will be better.

> 	* Is it easy to learn ?

You probably need somebody to become an expert, but once you have a
locally customized environment, it shouldn't be too easy. The learning
curve for Emacs isn't too steep, but it keeps on going up. You can use
Epoch/Emacs with out too much trouble.

> 	* Where can I get it (i.e. is it ftp-able or do I have to
> 	  purchase it) ?

Epoch is available from cs.uiuc.edu via anonymous FTP. Emacs you can
get almost anywhere. For the version from Leonard Zubkoff, try
labrea.stanford.edu:/pub/gnu/apollo-emacs.tar.Z

A note about the GPR version of Emacs 18.57: It only runs on SR10.2
and above. It will not run on 10.1.
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