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God man, for an Antitheist, you drip of theology!

First, you dwell on time. Wake up! Time is irrelevant and it is concurrent,
just of perception of it is linear.
The perception is false. Year 2000 has as much significance as 2000 BC did.
To things real, not to things imagined.

Secondly, if you are looking for a supreme being that looks like you, well
you've found Jesus!
But say the supreme being is just a guy, like you or me. Have you ever seen
the universe in your own body? Why it has galaxies, and stars, and planets,
and some oth those planets may have people on them too. The supreme being,
could just be a regular person, but it is so big, that say our entire
universe is only an electron making up the uncountable electrons in the body
of God.

This certainly would explain that difficult concept that God is everything
and every where, even explain why people have make this connection. The
universe is physical evidence, and it likely is this supreme being, but he
is just so big, we can't even see him all, never mind connect the dots.

Then there is the proof that man is God.
Blasphamous I know, but there is more evidence to suggest that God is the
model of mna, rather than man the model of a Supreme Being.

Man does what God does. He Creates, he builds, he loves, he angers, he
destroys.
He is all powerful. Man may not be all powerful, but he dominates nature.
Did God give us Dominion....or did we just take it?  If you look at history
and the way we treat each other, then you know we just took dominion over
the earth, inspite of our fear of nature.

Then what is a person? A lot of water, a few pounds of chemicals, and a
value of about $70 bucks!
Well, if you take a dead person and a living person, they amount to the same
substance?
What animates life? Energy. You can take a dead person, apply energy to it,
and it will animate. You can pump the blood and lungs. And even with the
brain fully intact, you will not get the personality and self to load. Why?
Energy is neither created, nor destroyed. It just changes form. So the
energy that is what we call life, the energy that gives life to a bunch of
water and elements of the earth, has either left and moved somewhere else,
or has changed form into something else.

Where did it go? Nobody knows, and that is the fact. Yes, some people have
claimed to know, and some claim by experience. The closest anybody gets to
having to prove it, is when they set out to find the Dahli Lhamas soul, each
time he dies. The person is found, which is kinda interesting in itself,
since you would think, somebody would step up and make the claim out of an
ego disfunction. But the Lhamas find the child. Then they test him,
extensively on his past life to prove that he is the re-incarnate. Okay,
they believe it, and should you be a witness to that, I am sure you may tend
to believe, certainly seriously consider things further. But you must wonder
what happens to that life animating energy?

Does it find a new vessle to animate as the Hindu believe? And is it not odd
that their belief is congruent with the movement, transport, transmission of
energy? The what about the notion that when you die you go to Heaven?
Certainly this denotes a concept of a changed existence. This is also
congruent with science, that states energy changes form, and is not created
or destroyed. You can read it as immortal.
The theists refer to this energy as the soul, or that is my take on it.

Perhaps, and more than likely, that this source of energy is infact what
theists call God.
A spirit unified as energy but fragmented as it animates the soil, water and
air likely to experience physical existence, which in a energy state can
only be imagined, and desired. And manifested from will some of this energy
formed matter, and some of it animates it. And when we advance to the point
where we all realize that we are the same being, that is when God will walk
among us, and not before.

And though I really did not prove anything, I think that I offered a
challenged to your challenge.




"antitheist" <antitheist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:385539A7.7582EB61@hotmail.com...
> For those who missed it the first time:
>
> A message very similar to this one was sent in response to the frothings
> of John Lauzon on the hfx.general newsgroup approximately 3 weeks ago.
> As yet, there has been no satisfactory response, so I am broadening my
> scope and intent somewhat.  The results will speak for themselves.
>
> This message is, without qualification, in open challenge to every
> single system of belief in the world, in defiance of every conception of
> a deity, god, goddess, or ultimate spiritual being held by those
> religions.
>
> We are presently in the closing days of the 20th Century, or at least
> close enough for the popular imagination to have siezed on the idea.
> This is the time when, some systems of belief tell us, the world will
> likely end.  This has, of course, led to insanity for some, rapture for
> others, and general paranoia for most.
> Along the path to this point, we have endured many atrocities committed
> in the name of religion: Crusades, Inquisitions, Jihads; fasts and
> hunger strikes; self-torture, and the torture and executions of others;
> the deaths of children and the mass murder of ethnic or other religious
> groups.  Scientific and philosophic thought which aimed at truth in
> defiance of doctrines has been stifled and free will has been
> subverted.  The religion of any country has meddled in the political,
> economic and artistic lives of individuals with no better explanation
> than the mystic "will of god (or God, or gods)".  In the name of some
> undefined universal plan, we have allowed theft, censorship, subjugation
> and murder.
>
> No more.
>
> We are now at a point where, as individuals, we are able to decide for
> ourselves, based on our own reasoning, the nature of the universe and
> the beings who inhabit it, and our success as individuals will depend on
> the ultimate truth of those ideas.  We do not need the myths anymore; we
> do not need the symbols.  Yet, the religions and churches and doctrines
> refuse to let go.  The Christian Church is trying to invent itself for
> another millenium, to maintain its power base; the Buddhists continue to
> turn inward in ignorance of the reality that surrounds them, the earth
> religions dance in defiance of the fact that their cults died centuries
> ago, and the Satanists refuse to recognize their own adherence to
> Christian dogma by their refutation of it.  The list goes on.
>
> The only proof of the existence of an ultimate being is the existence of
> that being itself.  That is to say: a physical manifestation of a deity
> under conditions which can be explained by no other, more rational,
> terms.  To my knowledge, no such proof has ever been provided.  Any
> claimed evidence that exists does not exist beyond the shadow of a
> doubt, and as long as it remains under such a shadow, it is not
> acceptable as proof to any rational human being.
>
> If, as humans, we are subject to the will of any kind of supreme being,
> it is in defiance of the nature of our existence (i.e. as rational
> creatures, for that is the trait which differentiates us from all other
> creatures) to accept such will without proof of its existence.
> Therefore, in the closing days of this millenium, I call upon any deity
> which exists to provide proof of its existence, concrete proof which
> cannot be denied by any rational means, cannot be explained in any other
> way.  Only such evidence can finally resolve all conflicts sparked by
> religion, and put an end to the struggles which hold us back from
> progression as human beings.  Only a lack of such evidence can provide
> evidence that such a deity or deities does not exist, and individuals
> can then be free to pursue their own rational ends without fear of the
> intervention of the lunatics and anti-life doctrinarians who try to
> propagate belief systems.
>
> I offer myself as a target for this proof.  I will gladly accept sole
> responsibility for the consequences of my challenge.  If there is a
> deity of love, let it show its love, and if there is a deity of hate, or
> war, or death, or any character whatever, let it show that character
> distinctly and directly without subtlety or subterfuge, and I will admit
> my error, loudly and publicly.  Otherwise, I will take the lack of
> action as proof of the non-existence of a deity, and will likewise
> proclaim such loudly and publicly.
>
> In addition, I provide an ultimatum: a deadline.  It is right now 13
> December, 1999.  The millenium, ostensibly, will end in 18 days.  If
> such proof as is required is not provided by that date, then the silence
> will reign as its own proof.
>
> So, there it is.  The clock is ticking.  What will the result be?
>
> I am posting this first and foremost for myself, to finally rid myself
> of the influence of all religious zealots who infect my world.
> Secondly, I do it for every rational person who agrees with these
> thoughts and is able to envision a clean, sane world unpolluted by
> unprovable mystical ideas.
> This message will be posted to as many newsgroups as I deem relevent,
> and will be sent by email to as many religious factions and promoters as
> I can find.
>
>
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