🚀 go-pugleaf

All these arguments have quite a bit behind them. But it all comes down to
what is life? Or more precise what is the meaning of life? Within this there
is perception, beliefs and so much more that puts substance in it. But its
all in perception of it, like religion, morals what we believe in that make
us who we are, our conscious. What gave us this? Are we the masters, or is
our galaxy really it, or is it just a electron in a piece of lumber waiting
to be thrown in the fire place of another place on our year 2000. Y2K its
self is all perception, if there is a end to man it will be his own doing,
the power goes out??? so what??? well people panic, but its really no big
deal, no lights that's it. Y2K is just some date, what if I made a calendar
based on the polar regions, Y2K would be a long time away. Each belief has
its own way of the beginning and end, weather its Adam and eve, or weather
its a puddle of amino acids. Does it all matter??? Does life really go on???
Its not nice to think that that's it, but like it was said life is all
energy, and no energy can contain itself forever. It is nice to sit back and
think about the greater picture, but are we really ready to see it? If we
were planted here by some other life being and found out about it there
would be mass destruction by the people, not the aliens. Humans are really
still in their infant stages by far, without full realization of what we do,
and because of this will wont know the real meaning of life until we mature
to the next evolutionary step. But until we grow up as humanity, the only
thing we can do is ponder about life, and no one really know until its the
end, but then again would you really even realize it??Do you really know if
your wife or husband is really the true soul mate? No not until the day you
die, because at any time the person could do something to end it. I think
all we can do for now, is love thy neighbor. That is one religious belief I
can believe in, humanity can not immerge until we go past this step where we
kill, rape, greed and so on that exist even in the highest form of religion,
that is suppose to be so pure. So until the bigger picture is given to us,
we should just all be happy and live happy. And if Y2K is the end, we will
all be either shown the big picture, or wont realize it anyway, either way
its not doomsday.

Arron Svendsen

13 of 7 <borgcollective@home.com> wrote in message
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> God man, for an Antitheist, you drip of theology!
>
> First, you dwell on time. Wake up! Time is irrelevant and it is
concurrent,
> just of perception of it is linear.
> The perception is false. Year 2000 has as much significance as 2000 BC
did.
> To things real, not to things imagined.
>
> Secondly, if you are looking for a supreme being that looks like you, well
> you've found Jesus!
> But say the supreme being is just a guy, like you or me. Have you ever
seen
> the universe in your own body? Why it has galaxies, and stars, and
planets,
> and some oth those planets may have people on them too. The supreme being,
> could just be a regular person, but it is so big, that say our entire
> universe is only an electron making up the uncountable electrons in the
body
> of God.
>
> This certainly would explain that difficult concept that God is everything
> and every where, even explain why people have make this connection. The
> universe is physical evidence, and it likely is this supreme being, but he
> is just so big, we can't even see him all, never mind connect the dots.
>
> Then there is the proof that man is God.
> Blasphamous I know, but there is more evidence to suggest that God is the
> model of mna, rather than man the model of a Supreme Being.
>
> Man does what God does. He Creates, he builds, he loves, he angers, he
> destroys.
> He is all powerful. Man may not be all powerful, but he dominates nature.
> Did God give us Dominion....or did we just take it?  If you look at
history
> and the way we treat each other, then you know we just took dominion over
> the earth, inspite of our fear of nature.
>
> Then what is a person? A lot of water, a few pounds of chemicals, and a
> value of about $70 bucks!
> Well, if you take a dead person and a living person, they amount to the
same
> substance?
> What animates life? Energy. You can take a dead person, apply energy to
it,
> and it will animate. You can pump the blood and lungs. And even with the
> brain fully intact, you will not get the personality and self to load.
Why?
> Energy is neither created, nor destroyed. It just changes form. So the
> energy that is what we call life, the energy that gives life to a bunch of
> water and elements of the earth, has either left and moved somewhere else,
> or has changed form into something else.
>
> Where did it go? Nobody knows, and that is the fact. Yes, some people have
> claimed to know, and some claim by experience. The closest anybody gets to
> having to prove it, is when they set out to find the Dahli Lhamas soul,
each
> time he dies. The person is found, which is kinda interesting in itself,
> since you would think, somebody would step up and make the claim out of an
> ego disfunction. But the Lhamas find the child. Then they test him,
> extensively on his past life to prove that he is the re-incarnate. Okay,
> they believe it, and should you be a witness to that, I am sure you may
tend
> to believe, certainly seriously consider things further. But you must
wonder
> what happens to that life animating energy?
>
> Does it find a new vessle to animate as the Hindu believe? And is it not
odd
> that their belief is congruent with the movement, transport, transmission
of
> energy? The what about the notion that when you die you go to Heaven?
> Certainly this denotes a concept of a changed existence. This is also
> congruent with science, that states energy changes form, and is not
created
> or destroyed. You can read it as immortal.
> The theists refer to this energy as the soul, or that is my take on it.
>
> Perhaps, and more than likely, that this source of energy is infact what
> theists call God.
> A spirit unified as energy but fragmented as it animates the soil, water
and
> air likely to experience physical existence, which in a energy state can
> only be imagined, and desired. And manifested from will some of this
energy
> formed matter, and some of it animates it. And when we advance to the
point
> where we all realize that we are the same being, that is when God will
walk
> among us, and not before.
>
> And though I really did not prove anything, I think that I offered a
> challenged to your challenge.
>
>
>
>
> "antitheist" <antitheist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:385539A7.7582EB61@hotmail.com...
> > For those who missed it the first time:
> >
> > A message very similar to this one was sent in response to the frothings
> > of John Lauzon on the hfx.general newsgroup approximately 3 weeks ago.
> > As yet, there has been no satisfactory response, so I am broadening my
> > scope and intent somewhat.  The results will speak for themselves.
> >
> > This message is, without qualification, in open challenge to every
> > single system of belief in the world, in defiance of every conception of
> > a deity, god, goddess, or ultimate spiritual being held by those
> > religions.
> >
> > We are presently in the closing days of the 20th Century, or at least
> > close enough for the popular imagination to have siezed on the idea.
> > This is the time when, some systems of belief tell us, the world will
> > likely end.  This has, of course, led to insanity for some, rapture for
> > others, and general paranoia for most.
> > Along the path to this point, we have endured many atrocities committed
> > in the name of religion: Crusades, Inquisitions, Jihads; fasts and
> > hunger strikes; self-torture, and the torture and executions of others;
> > the deaths of children and the mass murder of ethnic or other religious
> > groups.  Scientific and philosophic thought which aimed at truth in
> > defiance of doctrines has been stifled and free will has been
> > subverted.  The religion of any country has meddled in the political,
> > economic and artistic lives of individuals with no better explanation
> > than the mystic "will of god (or God, or gods)".  In the name of some
> > undefined universal plan, we have allowed theft, censorship, subjugation
> > and murder.
> >
> > No more.
> >
> > We are now at a point where, as individuals, we are able to decide for
> > ourselves, based on our own reasoning, the nature of the universe and
> > the beings who inhabit it, and our success as individuals will depend on
> > the ultimate truth of those ideas.  We do not need the myths anymore; we
> > do not need the symbols.  Yet, the religions and churches and doctrines
> > refuse to let go.  The Christian Church is trying to invent itself for
> > another millenium, to maintain its power base; the Buddhists continue to
> > turn inward in ignorance of the reality that surrounds them, the earth
> > religions dance in defiance of the fact that their cults died centuries
> > ago, and the Satanists refuse to recognize their own adherence to
> > Christian dogma by their refutation of it.  The list goes on.
> >
> > The only proof of the existence of an ultimate being is the existence of
> > that being itself.  That is to say: a physical manifestation of a deity
> > under conditions which can be explained by no other, more rational,
> > terms.  To my knowledge, no such proof has ever been provided.  Any
> > claimed evidence that exists does not exist beyond the shadow of a
> > doubt, and as long as it remains under such a shadow, it is not
> > acceptable as proof to any rational human being.
> >
> > If, as humans, we are subject to the will of any kind of supreme being,
> > it is in defiance of the nature of our existence (i.e. as rational
> > creatures, for that is the trait which differentiates us from all other
> > creatures) to accept such will without proof of its existence.
> > Therefore, in the closing days of this millenium, I call upon any deity
> > which exists to provide proof of its existence, concrete proof which
> > cannot be denied by any rational means, cannot be explained in any other
> > way.  Only such evidence can finally resolve all conflicts sparked by
> > religion, and put an end to the struggles which hold us back from
> > progression as human beings.  Only a lack of such evidence can provide
> > evidence that such a deity or deities does not exist, and individuals
> > can then be free to pursue their own rational ends without fear of the
> > intervention of the lunatics and anti-life doctrinarians who try to
> > propagate belief systems.
> >
> > I offer myself as a target for this proof.  I will gladly accept sole
> > responsibility for the consequences of my challenge.  If there is a
> > deity of love, let it show its love, and if there is a deity of hate, or
> > war, or death, or any character whatever, let it show that character
> > distinctly and directly without subtlety or subterfuge, and I will admit
> > my error, loudly and publicly.  Otherwise, I will take the lack of
> > action as proof of the non-existence of a deity, and will likewise
> > proclaim such loudly and publicly.
> >
> > In addition, I provide an ultimatum: a deadline.  It is right now 13
> > December, 1999.  The millenium, ostensibly, will end in 18 days.  If
> > such proof as is required is not provided by that date, then the silence
> > will reign as its own proof.
> >
> > So, there it is.  The clock is ticking.  What will the result be?
> >
> > I am posting this first and foremost for myself, to finally rid myself
> > of the influence of all religious zealots who infect my world.
> > Secondly, I do it for every rational person who agrees with these
> > thoughts and is able to envision a clean, sane world unpolluted by
> > unprovable mystical ideas.
> > This message will be posted to as many newsgroups as I deem relevent,
> > and will be sent by email to as many religious factions and promoters as
> > I can find.
> >
> >
> >
>
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