🚀 go-pugleaf

I love the marketing pitch for the sandwich in the middle of the note; the 
Overlords of Burger King must be pleased with their new minion.

-- 
Albert Nurick                   www.TheDeliciousLife.com
albert@nurick.com               A guide to the good life
www.nurick.com                      in Houston, Texas

Rachel Ray (30 minute meals, $40 or less) jumped on that bandwagon as well.


"Matt Russell" <pirate@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:pirate-18C35B.04391910112003@library.airnews.net...
> Don't know how many of you have ever watched Rick Bayless's TV cooking
> show.  He concentrates on traditional Mexican food, and from points
> further south.  He started shilling for Burger King, which I suppose
> would raise cries of "Sellout!" from the foodie crowd.  In an
> announcement on his website trying to justify his decision, I had
> trouble keeping my jaw out of my lap while reading it.
>
> I don't argue with his underlying message, and I suppose very few
> fast-food habitu�s will be perusing his website, but I found the tone
> incredibly arrogant.
>
> Just my $0.02.  Judge for yourself.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.fronterakitchens.com/rickbayless/whatsupwbk/
>
>
> Dear friends, colleagues and co-workers:
>
> Many of you have asked me why I chose to do that ad for Burger King.  It
> was very seriously thought-through, and here is my reasoning in a
> nutshell:  I decided that it�s time for those of us in the healthy
> food/sustainable food movement to applaud any positive steps we see in
> the behemoth quick-service restaurant chains. Seventy-five percent of
> our fellow Americans nourish themselves in their restaurants at least
> once a week  (an even more serious statistic is that almost 20 percent
> eat fast food three or more time a week). I can no longer ignore these
> statistics, and I ask you not to either.
>
> I can�t take responsibility for feeding all those fast food customers in
> my restaurant.  Besides, most of them couldn�t even afford my
> restaurant.  And since our culture has made a wrong turn, several
> generations now haven�t even learned to cook.   So my (or other�s)
> cooking shows and cookbooks don�t hit their radar screens.  These are
> people who know little beyond processed food flavors. Helping them take
> steps toward honest, seasonal, natural flavors, means starting with them
> (accepting them) where they are.
>
> These folks aren�t going to change over night.  And the fast food
> franchises aren�t going to go away.  But if my BK ad encourages a few
> hundred thousand people to experience a tasty, less-processed sandwich
> of crusty bread with grilled chicken, a sauce made from roasted tomatoes
> and poblano chiles, plus a topping of grilled fresh bell peppers and
> onions > promoting that?
>
> So I choose to work on both ends of the spectrum. At
> Frontera/Topolobampo, we�ve developed an amazing team of talented chefs
> a who purchased just under half-million dollars from local, sustainable
> family farms last year. This year our Frontera Farmer Foundation has
> raised nearly $300,000 to distribute to small family farms in the form
> of capital improvement grants. Clearly, we�re committed to promoting
> local, seasonal, sustainably raised products in the hand-crafted dishes
> at our fine-dining restaurants. But I refuse to limit myself to just
> this small-but-fast-growing segment, dismissing millions of Americans
> who are light-years from knowing the wonders of local organic produce. I
> want to help them along, too. Starting right where they are.
>
> I know this bridging of categories makes some people uncomfortable. But
> that�s honestly who I am. I�m both eco-chef and fast-food supporter, if
> I�m given a voice for positive change in both those camps. And I�m
> ethnic chef, bringing respect to a little-appreciated cuisine through
> restaurants, books and television shows. I�m co-author with my teenage
> daughter of a book out next fall exploring how cooking with folks in
> other countries develops a unique language of friendship and family. I�m
> a health writer, encouraging people to embrace the realistic role of
> fabulous food in healthy living. For me it is unconscionable to limit
> myself to one camp, since food touches our lives in so many ways.
>
> Most people think I did the BK ad for the money.  Well, that�s not
> me > support small, sustainable family farms around Chicago.  The Frontera
> Farmer Foundation is going to have a much bigger impact.  And, I also
> believe, these new offerings at Burger King are, too.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Rick Bayless

DCS wrote:
> 
> Rachel Ray (30 minute meals, $40 or less) jumped on that bandwagon as well.
>

Hey! I'd jump on Rachel for $40 or less!
-- 
Kelly Younger

She is hot...
Especially lately, have you seen a recent show?
Very attractive.

<nospam@somewhere.org> wrote in message
news:3FB047AB.4464002F@houston.rr.com...
> DCS wrote:
> >
> > Rachel Ray (30 minute meals, $40 or less) jumped on that bandwagon as
well.
> >
>
> Hey! I'd jump on Rachel for $40 or less!
> -- 
> Kelly Younger

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:21:40 GMT, nospam@somewhere.org wrote:


>DCS wrote:
>> 
>> Rachel Ray (30 minute meals, $40 or less) jumped on that bandwagon as well.
>>
>
>Hey! I'd jump on Rachel for $40 or less!

I think she's a lesbian.  I keep calling and writing her, but she
never answers either.   

Hrmpf.

-sw

A celebrity chef?  Arrogant?  The mind reels at this inscrutable
paradox.

I actually just sold my only Bayless book on eBay in reaction to his
BK transgression and reading his missive doesn't really compel me to
second guess my decision.  Yet the underlying rationale he gives is
sound: the fast food industry has been at the heart of fundamental
changes in American agriculture, diet, health, and labor
practice...none of them very cheering.  He chose signing on as his way
to make a point; time will tell.

spamcorral@yahoo.com (Chris Dieckmann) wrote in 
news:57773ff3.0311102149.5c31b1bc@posting.google.com:
> I actually just sold my only Bayless book on eBay in reaction to his
> BK transgression and reading his missive doesn't really compel me to
> second guess my decision.  Yet the underlying rationale he gives is
> sound: the fast food industry has been at the heart of fundamental
> changes in American agriculture, diet, health, and labor
> practice...none of them very cheering.  He chose signing on as his way
> to make a point; time will tell.
> 

Dry his explanation out and you can fertilize the lawn.  I wonder if Kid 
Rock is trying to make a point about calorie-counting by endorsing Coors 
Light instead of original Coors?

It's a shame, really - I liked Bayless and watched his show sometimes on 
PBS, but lost all respect  for him when I saw the commercial and saw him 
say that some of the best barbecue is at Burger King.  I nearly fell off 
the couch.  He could have made a point and even been a spokesman without 
uttering lines that are simply blatantly stupid, especially for a chef 
who knows food.

Jeff Edwards
paranoianospam@sbcglobal.net

Matt Russell <pirate@airmail.net> wrote in message news:<pirate-18C35B.04391910112003@library.airnews.net>...
I found the tone 
> incredibly arrogant.
> 

What's up Capitan?  What are you complaining about now?  You know you
can't to much of that with the drunk's permission.  So be cool.

Isn't Rick accurate about his fast foods comments?  He described
Houstonians accurately.

"Matt Russell" <pirate@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:pirate-18C35B.04391910112003@library.airnews.net...
> Don't know how many of you have ever watched Rick Bayless's TV cooking
> show.  He concentrates on traditional Mexican food, and from points
> further south.  He started shilling for Burger King, which I suppose
> would raise cries of "Sellout!" from the foodie crowd.  In an
> announcement on his website trying to justify his decision, I had
> trouble keeping my jaw out of my lap while reading it.
>
> I don't argue with his underlying message, and I suppose very few
> fast-food habitu�s will be perusing his website, but I found the tone
> incredibly arrogant.
>
> Just my $0.02.  Judge for yourself.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.fronterakitchens.com/rickbayless/whatsupwbk/
>

Rick Bayless conned himself into believing he is the Michael Jordan of
cooking.  But  don't be too hard on him, he said what he said on the
commercial because he was hired to ACT in the commercial just like all those
burger chomping basketball players.  You know they don't eat buck-something
burgers either and I don't notice an up roar with them.  So take it lightly
and admit we like to be mesmerized by TV ads, it's our macro-second
entertainment they cater to.  Because of that BK commercial I tried that
sandwich which I did not like.  BK just wants you to try it with the hopes
that you will buy it again and a TV ad formula is to have a celeb take a
bite of it so the masses will follow.  Hey, maybe if BK gets Michael Jordan
to take a bite of that thing maybe the people who can't afford Rick Bayless
cooking will follow.  I wonder if Rick Bayless would agree?

Carlos Trevino

"Carlos Trevino" <juanct@swbell.net> wrote in
news:ITasb.3063$1S4.1316316333@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com: 

> Rick Bayless conned himself into believing he is the Michael Jordan of
> cooking.  But  don't be too hard on him, he said what he said on the
> commercial because he was hired to ACT in the commercial just like all
> those burger chomping basketball players.  You know they don't eat
> buck-something burgers either and I don't notice an up roar with them.

Rick Bayless has (some would say "had") credibility in the field of 
cuisine.  Selling out for something as crass as BK's specialty-of-the-
moment is pitiful.

It wouldn't surprise me for a moment that many pro athletes eat fast food.

-- 
Albert Nurick                   www.TheDeliciousLife.com
albert@nurick.com               A guide to the good life
www.nurick.com                      in Houston, Texas

"Albert Nurick" <albert@nurick.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94308CC4728F9albertnurickcom@24.28.95.158...
> Rick Bayless has (some would say "had") credibility in the field of
> cuisine.  Selling out for something as crass as BK's specialty-of-the-
> moment is pitiful.
>
> It wouldn't surprise me for a moment that many pro athletes eat fast food.

I was going to make the same point.  It's apples/oranges to compare Bayless
and an NBA star talking about hamburgers.  If the NBA player is talking
about a certain brand of shoes and then not wearing them on the court when
he plays, he's a shill and a hypocrite.  If a musician is advertising a
certain brand of guitar and then using something else most of the time,
he/she is a shill and a hypocrite.  Bayless is definitely a shill, and
unless he and his family are scarfing down on BK regularly based on his
culinary expertise (after all, he does consider it some of the best BBQ
around, right?), then he's a hypocrite.

Jeff Edwards
paranoianospam@sbcglobal.net

Jeff Edwards wrote:
 If the NBA player is talking
 about a certain brand of shoes and then not wearing them on the court
when
 he plays, he's a shill and a hypocrite.  
> 
> Jeff Edwards
> paranoianospam@sbcglobal.net

...ummm, there is not a single NBA player that advertises shoes that he
*doesn't* wear. Can you say LeBron James + $90 MILLION = Nike? You think
he doesn't wear their shoes? I don't know if Rick Bayless actually eats
at BK.
-- 
Kelly Younger

<nospam@somewhere.org> wrote in message
news:3FB14381.C821DF25@houston.rr.com...
> Jeff Edwards wrote:
>  If the NBA player is talking
>  about a certain brand of shoes and then not wearing them on the court
> when
>  he plays, he's a shill and a hypocrite.
> >
> > Jeff Edwards
> > paranoianospam@sbcglobal.net
>
> ...ummm, there is not a single NBA player that advertises shoes that he
> *doesn't* wear. Can you say LeBron James + $90 MILLION = Nike? You think
> he doesn't wear their shoes? I don't know if Rick Bayless actually eats
> at BK.

That's kinda the point.  Actually, I had two points: 1) that a culinary
expert hawking BK is vastly different than an NBA player hawking BK and that
2) the more apt analogy is the NBA player and shoes.  I am aware that it
would be unlikely that the player would advertise a brand and not wear them.
I also find it unlikely that Bayless eats BK regularly, or thinks that their
cue is some of the best around.  Ergo, he is simply a shill and hypocrite.

Jeff Edwards
paranoianospam@sbcglobal.net

"Jeff Edwards" <paranoianospam@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:l_bsb.87$jm2.69@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com: 

> That's kinda the point.  Actually, I had two points: 1) that a
> culinary expert hawking BK is vastly different than an NBA player
> hawking BK and that 2) the more apt analogy is the NBA player and
> shoes.  I am aware that it would be unlikely that the player would
> advertise a brand and not wear them. I also find it unlikely that
> Bayless eats BK regularly, or thinks that their cue is some of the
> best around.  Ergo, he is simply a shill and hypocrite. 

Yep.  And if he does think their BBQ is some of the best around, he's a 
joke as a culinary expert.

(FWIW, I've eaten at Frontera Grill, albeit a decade ago, and it was pretty 
good, though not as good as its reputation.)

-- 
Albert Nurick                   www.TheDeliciousLife.com
albert@nurick.com               A guide to the good life
www.nurick.com                      in Houston, Texas

"DCS" <chris@dallascomputing.com> wrote in message
news:0qydnc-X995b0C2i4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> She is hot...
> Especially lately, have you seen a recent show?
> Very attractive.
>

Indeed.  She was even in FHM...
http://www.fhmus.com/girls/covergirls/241/

Albert Nurick wrote:

> Yep.  And if he does think their BBQ is some of the best around, he's a 
> joke as a culinary expert.
> 
> (FWIW, I've eaten at Frontera Grill, albeit a decade ago, and it was pretty 
> good, though not as good as its reputation.)

Remember his family owns/owned a BBQ restaurant in the 
Oklahoma City area.

To an Okie, that may be good BBQ.

"Steve Wertz" <swertz@cluemail.compost.invalid> wrote in message
news:RY6dnWyfvITJ_i2iU-KYuA@io.com...
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:21:40 GMT, nospam@somewhere.org wrote:
>
>
> >DCS wrote:
> >>
> >> Rachel Ray (30 minute meals, $40 or less) jumped on that bandwagon as
well.
> >>
> >
> >Hey! I'd jump on Rachel for $40 or less!
>
> I think she's a lesbian.  I keep calling and writing her, but she
> never answers either.
>
> Hrmpf.
>
> -sw

Gimme her phone number and I'll confirm it for you ^_^

"Noah" <noahd@juno.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:boueh0$hn4$1@joe.rice.edu...
> "DCS" <chris@dallascomputing.com> wrote in message
> news:0qydnc-X995b0C2i4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > She is hot...
> > Especially lately, have you seen a recent show?
> > Very attractive.
> >
>
> Indeed.  She was even in FHM...
> http://www.fhmus.com/girls/covergirls/241/

MMmm... I always thought she was hot despite the dull drab she wore on her
30m-meals show.  Too bad I'm straight and married ^_~

I cannot believe this deplorable diatribe.

How many of you nay-sayers have actually tried the damn sandwich?

I was also appalled upon seeing Rick on a BK commercial.

Before I totally renounced his integrity I tried the damn sandwich.

I personally put BK in the same grouping as McD's, Taco Bell, and Cici's.

I got the southwest version (just the sandwich).

I also got a 99 cent whopper in case the chicken sandwich did not fill me
up.

THE SANDWICH TRANSCENDS BK'S EXPECTED QUALITY LEVEL.

After eating it I was left still a bit hungry (the sandwich is a bit on the
smaller side).

I opened up the whopper wrapper and took a few bites then tossed it.

I'd like to report that it remains a crap burger.

Remains?  I guess every once in a while you have to remind yourself.

If you blindly try both those items you wouldn't guess they came from one
place. No way.

This all brings me to my point. Rick plugged a particular item at BK, not
the whole menu.

Get the stick out of your collective asses.

I just read the justification memo again.

I did detect a somewhat arrogant tone in a couple places.

After reading all the responses on here though....

all I gotta say his arrogance is conservative in comparison.

"Simon Belmont" <123@abc.xyz> wrote in
news:XLgtb.786$Kb5.180@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com: 

> I cannot believe this deplorable diatribe.

Hey, it's Usenet.  If you don't like folks' opinions, you're in the wrong 
place.

-- 
Albert Nurick                   www.TheDeliciousLife.com
albert@nurick.com               A guide to the good life
www.nurick.com                      in Houston, Texas

Albert Nurick wrote:
> "Simon Belmont" <123@abc.xyz> wrote in
> news:XLgtb.786$Kb5.180@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com:
>
>> I cannot believe this deplorable diatribe.
>
> Hey, it's Usenet.  If you don't like folks' opinions, you're in the
> wrong place.

I think you're all a bunch of sick bastards to get so worked up over
fast-food.  lol

In article <vrdhppjkfr4j22@corp.supernews.com>,
 "SlowwHand" <Don'tSpamSlowwHand@Budweiser.com> wrote:

> Albert Nurick wrote:
> > "Simon Belmont" <123@abc.xyz> wrote in
> > news:XLgtb.786$Kb5.180@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com:
> >
> >> I cannot believe this deplorable diatribe.
> >
> > Hey, it's Usenet.  If you don't like folks' opinions, you're in the
> > wrong place.
> 
> I think you're all a bunch of sick bastards to get so worked up over
> fast-food.  lol
> 
> 

If you think this was over fast food, you've completely missed the point 
of the original post.


MR

Matt Russell wrote:
> In article <vrdhppjkfr4j22@corp.supernews.com>,
>  "SlowwHand" <Don'tSpamSlowwHand@Budweiser.com> wrote:
>
>> Albert Nurick wrote:
>>> "Simon Belmont" <123@abc.xyz> wrote in
>>> news:XLgtb.786$Kb5.180@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com:
>>>
>>>> I cannot believe this deplorable diatribe.
>>>
>>> Hey, it's Usenet.  If you don't like folks' opinions, you're in the
>>> wrong place.
>>
>> I think you're all a bunch of sick bastards to get so worked up over
>> fast-food.  lol
>>
>>
>
> If you think this was over fast food, you've completely missed the
> point of the original post.
>
>
> MR

Thanks for personifying my point.
Initial post or not, look at what it's become.

In article <vrf2aj90htai84@corp.supernews.com>,
 "SlowwHand" <Don'tSpamSlowwHand@Budweiser.com> wrote:

> Matt Russell wrote:
> > In article <vrdhppjkfr4j22@corp.supernews.com>,
> >  "SlowwHand" <Don'tSpamSlowwHand@Budweiser.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Albert Nurick wrote:
> >>> "Simon Belmont" <123@abc.xyz> wrote in
> >>> news:XLgtb.786$Kb5.180@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com:
> >>>
> >>>> I cannot believe this deplorable diatribe.
> >>>
> >>> Hey, it's Usenet.  If you don't like folks' opinions, you're in the
> >>> wrong place.
> >>
> >> I think you're all a bunch of sick bastards to get so worked up over
> >> fast-food.  lol
> >>
> >>
> >
> > If you think this was over fast food, you've completely missed the
> > point of the original post.
> >
> >
> > MR
> 
> Thanks for personifying my point.
> Initial post or not, look at what it's become.
> 
> 

Yeah, there's no better way to discuss Norwegian whaling or Hungarian 
basket-weaving than by starting a conversation concerning proper 
cast-iron seasoning techniques.

If there's one constant on Usenet, it's that your thread WILL get 
hijacked, it will cover numerous subjects until it fades or Godwin's law 
gets invoked, and there's not much you can do about it.

This group's pretty civil, and traffic's low enough threads die out 
pretty quickly.  For great examples of year-long threads of encyclopedic 
range, check out rec.arts.sci-fi.written.  Nothing like skiffy geeks 
with a bat'leth to grind.

ObEats:  Went to Prince's on I-10 just E of Blalock.  
Bacon/cheddar/grilled onion/BBQ burger was quite tasty.  Iced tea was 
fresh made, not tannic from sitting for several days, and fries were 
thick-cut, hot and delicious.  The only down side was I saved the two 
onion rings until last, and they were a mite cold and greasy.  Next time 
they gets et first!

Matt

Matt Russell wrote:
> In article <vrf2aj90htai84@corp.supernews.com>,
>  "SlowwHand" <Don'tSpamSlowwHand@Budweiser.com> wrote:
>
> If there's one constant on Usenet, it's that your thread WILL get
> hijacked, it will cover numerous subjects until it fades or Godwin's
> law gets invoked, and there's not much you can do about it.
>
> This group's pretty civil, and traffic's low enough threads die out
> pretty quickly.  For great examples of year-long threads of
> encyclopedic range, check out rec.arts.sci-fi.written.  Nothing like
> skiffy geeks with a bat'leth to grind.
>
> ObEats:  Went to Prince's on I-10 just E of Blalock.
> Bacon/cheddar/grilled onion/BBQ burger was quite tasty.  Iced tea was
> fresh made, not tannic from sitting for several days, and fries were
> thick-cut, hot and delicious.  The only down side was I saved the two
> onion rings until last, and they were a mite cold and greasy.  Next
> time they gets et first!
>
> Matt


At least it hasn't degenerated to something like "what Hitler ate". lol

Matt Russell <pirate@airmail.net> wrote:

>ObEats:  Went to Prince's on I-10 just E of Blalock.  

That would be just east of Bunker Hill.

In article <15ngrvgkjlr6ack074t6gutsrmkap0eisb@4ax.com>,
 Larry Kessler <l_k_e_s_s_l_e_r@w_t.n_e_t> wrote:

> Matt Russell <pirate@airmail.net> wrote:
> 
> >ObEats:  Went to Prince's on I-10 just E of Blalock.  
> 
> That would be just east of Bunker Hill.

D'oh! You are correct.  That whole side of I-10 is a blur, mostly, in 
spite of umpteen years living here.  I just turn left at Gessner and 
keep driving east until I get to the restaurant I'm looking for.

MR

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:27:22 GMT, Larry Kessler
<l_k_e_s_s_l_e_r@w_t.n_e_t> wrote:

>Matt Russell <pirate@airmail.net> wrote:
>
>>ObEats:  Went to Prince's on I-10 just E of Blalock.  
>
>That would be just east of Bunker Hill.

Why I go near there to buy my little puppy , her puppy food.

Tried it....
Took two bites and threw the rest on the side of the road.
What crap!
Contrary to the black flame marks on the meat, it was completely cold.  Not
just room temp, I mean FREEZING!
The 'grilled' peppers were cold as well- soupy too.

No, its crap.



"Simon Belmont" <123@abc.xyz> wrote in message
news:XLgtb.786$Kb5.180@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com...
> I cannot believe this deplorable diatribe.
>
> How many of you nay-sayers have actually tried the damn sandwich?
>
> I was also appalled upon seeing Rick on a BK commercial.
>
> Before I totally renounced his integrity I tried the damn sandwich.
>
> I personally put BK in the same grouping as McD's, Taco Bell, and Cici's.
>
> I got the southwest version (just the sandwich).
>
> I also got a 99 cent whopper in case the chicken sandwich did not fill me
> up.
>
> THE SANDWICH TRANSCENDS BK'S EXPECTED QUALITY LEVEL.
>
> After eating it I was left still a bit hungry (the sandwich is a bit on
the
> smaller side).
>
> I opened up the whopper wrapper and took a few bites then tossed it.
>
> I'd like to report that it remains a crap burger.
>
> Remains?  I guess every once in a while you have to remind yourself.
>
> If you blindly try both those items you wouldn't guess they came from one
> place. No way.
>
> This all brings me to my point. Rick plugged a particular item at BK, not
> the whole menu.
>
> Get the stick out of your collective asses.
>
>
>

"geotek1" <u@u.co.uk> wrote in message
> Tried it....Took two bites and threw the rest on the side
> of the road. What crap!
> Contrary to the black flame marks on the meat, it was
> completely cold.  Not just room temp, I mean FREEZING!
> The 'grilled' peppers were cold as well- soupy too.
>
> No, its crap.


You made me laugh my ass off. So do you really
think what you got is a representative example?

Completely cold? I would of thrown it away too,
only after I made the manager on staff take a bite,
then make me a fresh one. Or don't make a post
on here at all considering the circumstance.

I can see it now...in their preparation manual:
"Serve Frozen", that's what you're saying right?

One of the biggest problems with fast food places
(and a lot of "quality" places too) is consistency.
That makes your complaint quite misdirected.

I know you are trying to argue that the sandwich is
utter crap, but your methods of debate are laughable.

Crawl back into your hole you fukn troll. Go dine on
your rotten, yet piping hot swill. It's good for you.

You must be the guy who thinks Campbell's
tomato soup is the best you can get, huh?