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trebby@my-deja.com (Trebor) wrote in message news:<3c3299d8.9220480@news.earthlink.net>...
> It strikes me that honor has never been valued especially high in the
> United States, in the same way that it has at other times and in other
> cultures throughout the world.  In most other traditional cultures,
> for example, to lose face or honor is perhaps the worst thing that can
> happen to you.  Maybe  it's partly an aspect of American modernity,
> and partly because all Americans really value today is money.  The
> worst thing that can happen to you in this country is not to have any.
> 

Absolutely agree with you. Americans are generally, through corporate
representation ignorant of themselves, and extremely cowardly. They
advocate murdering innocent people, which Just as sure, would be
themselves, and their own communities, and as a consequence, bush has,
and is continuing to remove their equals rights degrading their
lackluster democracy perverted into a dictatorship absent Justice. 25
million just to run for a state election! In a government that doesn't
hold good ideas to be well served like Cuba does, but to those who pay
the highest bribes. Americans are told they do not believe their own
government should be accountable to the public. What with bush
removing their access to their own affairs. Cowards. Just look on the
internet, at how weak and deplorable they can be against our human
race, by protecting their crimes against our lives, by desperately
fighting to keep themselves in the dark hiding. Again, as cowards.


> The reason I bring it up is because it seems to me that America has
> not shown any honor whatsoever in the way it is fighting (or actually
> not fighting) the so-called 'war' in Afghanistan.  Historically,
> warfare has been a field of human endevor where men prove their
> courage and display their love of country and patriotism by their
> willingness to face danger and die for their country. 
> 

No kidding! The whole scenario is a crime against humanity without
contention. Mr. bush has also committed treason by pocketing 50
billion, and thwarting the WTC investigations. But what do we see?
Cowardice to the extreme. Somehow, in their mindless cult trace, they
desperately fight themselves to suggest bush isn't the monster he is
to anyone awake and alive. The Taliban were just, and asked for
explanation, like evidence. Mr. bush the nazi, like your typical corp.
product American, couldn't talk, because he's illiterate, but now we
know, he actually planned to slaughter innocent people before hand,
because he now gets an oil deal from the new corrupted government.
(Further implicated him for the WTC disaster. Then, to believe, the
bushmob stated they wanted no part in helping protect, or rebuild
Afghanistan. Fuck I hate that bush as every real man would.

> Indians used to practice a form of warfare called 'counting coup'
> without any killing or scalping - just to prove their courage.   But
> dropping bombs from a safe altitude - what is that?  Bill Mahr was
> right.  That isn't war, nor is it very honorable.  Unless you want to
> say an executioner is showing courage when he swings the axe or pulls
> the rope.  
> 

Ya, I know. Wimp asses, dropping bombs on starving civilians
diliberately. Not a man among them. For if their were, you'd know that
Tommy would be dead before daybreak, as too should be bush arrested,
or shot for treason without delay.


> What about letting Afghans do all the real fighting and dying to
> protect us from our enemies?  What's honorable about that?   You would
> have thought with all the flags waving in this country that Americans
> would be itching to go toe to toe with the terrorist scum, instead of
> hiding behind the front lines with the cooks and whores.  People will
> say to me, "Well, would you rather have Americans dying?"  I would
> rather have nobody dying.  But since there was some dying to be done,
> America should have been willing to do their honorable share of it.
> The argument 'better them than us' is the rationalization of cowards.
> Pure and simple.  
> 
Exactly. The Taliban (of the third world) were protecting Afghanistan,
and women from being raped, bought and sold as slaves, while the
enemy, the northern alliance are drug runners and murderers, having
never any concern ever for political office, but for to destroy the
nation with cash withdrawls. Which is exactly what bush is to every
American as traitor, robbing and stealing from Americans
intentionally. But see? They're too cowardly to stand up against his
evil, so again, they fight themselves to justify their weakness, by
the supporting of murdering innocent people, of which, just as sure,
would be themselves as a member of their family.


> It just seems to me that America has never been so completely devoid
> of all honor and courage in war as we have been in Afghanistan.
> Unless you want to count all those "Indian Wars" which were little
> more than massacres of defenseless women and children.  Though even
> then we ran the risk of a Little Big Horn now and then.  I think
> future generations of Americans will look back in shame at what we did
> in Afghanistan...or didn't do really.  In the same way we look back in
> shame at what was done to the Native American population.  Not that we
> executed a lot of Afghans unnnecessarily, though we've done some of
> that.  But that America lacked honor and courage at a time when it
> mattered most.
> cheers,
> Trebor

Their fascist nazi government is the plague of our humanity. Funding
hitler, then their nazi slaughter in Vietnam, and then all over the
Americas as the evil in our world is without argument. But when true
American patriots speak proudly for change to make life better for
America,  the nazis spouts lies in ignorance and barbarity, to hide
themselves from their fear to progress like the rest of the world has
politically. Health care, international aid, education, and everything
else that has be degraded by rupuglican charlatans bereft of soul and
charater.

Johnny Wizard

"Roderick S. Beck" <rodbeck@erols.com> wrote in message news:<3C3087FD.6010909@erols.com>...
> Johnny,
> Spare us the rationalizations. The Taleban government had several 
> strikes against it.
> 1 Fostering terrorism through a large number of training camps.
> 2. Harboring a highly plausible suspect for the WTC attack.
> 3 A government that had a terrible human rights record.
> 4. Aiding and abetting the attack on the WTC record by harboring the 
> leading suspect (2)
> 5. Aiding and abetting the attacks on the US embassies in Africa by 
> harboring and aiding the terrorist organizations most likely to be 
> involved.
> These items, taken as a whole, certainly merited military action.
> - R. .  
> 

First of all, you could not have possibly read much of anything I've
written.
Point number one, what is terrorism? Is it not murdering innocent
people? An unjust act of murder? Because sharon murders innocent
civilians and police officers, should you as an American be executed
for it? Bin is not a highly plausible suspect according to the FBI,
and all the information we have available that CNN refuses to cover,
that clearly, without doubt, implicates the bushmob directly. Bin's
public position on American foreign policy is mostly valid, outside of
Bin making it into some religious motivational speech, when it's
simply a position of evil tyrants against us all trying to survive as
law abiding believers. Mr. bush showed little of any care for people
when Governor in Texas, and continues to state evil as a demon, while
knowing thousands are being murdered unjustly. Our sacrifice of
American soldiers is done so he can  attempt to escape his capture, on
the grounds of treason to which he is guilty of. Nazis protected by
CNN in America's government, fund terrorist activites without
argument, for that is why CNN refuses Americans to consider what their
own government is doing, stealing and murdering the innocent of our
humanity. Again, with your second point, you've made no effort to read
my post, nor understand democracy. In a democracy of freedom, a
citizen is of the highest office, as all are equal under the rule of
law. For law is civilization, without it, anarchy insues. Mr. bush, a
throw away from a by gone day,(somewhere in about 1074) does not want
to be accountable to the American people as an American, as he has
recently passed many measures that prevent an American to have access
to their own government, while working to implement the creation of a
military dictortship, where bush's rights trump those of all others he
threatens with murder all around our world. Example is the 50 billion
American tax dollars he pocketed, and then said, he didn't have to
tell anybody. Evil decieved. Your third point, again, showing us all,
you've read nothing from my post. The Taliban  had been in power for
only five years, before that time, you couldn't travel without the
threat of being robbed, raped, or murdered, because there was no
police force. Once the Taliban had control, women felt safer, and the
market began to marginally proliferate. Mind you, the nation was
suffering from starvation, but during that short time, the Taliban
were holding debates in government, had opened several schools for
girls, made the streets safer, and had almost completely eradicated
the heroin trade. The trade that bush has now re-implemented, with the
northern alliance in government as his business partners, while
murdering tens of thousands. The northern alliance never had, nor have
any concern for the Afghanistan people, but for to plunder, and murder
God. You say you believe Afghanistan was the leading suspect according
to what? CNN continually works with suggestion, failing often
deliberately to justify with facts. Have you ever heard anyone
discussing 2% Social Security? Then look on the internet for groups
screaming about aspertame, and ask yourself, do you feel America is
being represented? How about as CNN refuses to report on the recently
uncovered spy ring funded by bush to commit terror in America by the
FBI? The largest in American history?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
As to your last point, Bin offered his arrest for any, or all crimes
levied against him by American traitors, and nothing was forthcoming.
Why? Because there was no evidence to convict him, but for propaganda,
that continues  to enslave the nation by americans, who do not believe
in the American dream of freedom and justice for all.

But I do thank you for conversing, and offering your perspective,

Johnny Wizard Http://www.johnnywizard.hotvomit.com



johnnywizard@shitdisturber.com (Johnny Wizard) wrote in message news:<f57653c0.0112260609.94b212f@posting.google.com>...
> "DOUGLAS G.V. REIMAN" <dggrant@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<u2fllr4qoeuqd2@corp.supernews.com>...
> > This guy does not seem to be wrapped too tight....but I will
> > bite.  See below:
> > > "Johnny Wizard" <johnnywizard@shitdisturber.com> wrote in message news:f57653c0.0112241608.1d1a9c04@posting.google.com...
> > > Go ahead, make my day
> > >
> > > These  are  only  some  of  the  reasons  bush  must be
> > > convicted for murdering innocent people, or executed by
> > > a real American soldier, dedicated to freedom, Liberty,
> > > and  Justice indivisible, for all as US equals.  Echem,
> > > bush  has  said  if  we don't let him break our laws of
> > > humanity so he can kill innocent people in OUR Universe
> > > for  money, he'll try to kill US for asking for what he
> > > has  stolen,  I  say,  we ALL, if WE must, as he singly
> > > incites  not  stopping an argument eternal that ends in
> > > diaspore,  end  bush  instead,  for  being  a criminal,
> > > escaping nowhere.
> > Eh?  Look twit, the Arabs are the ones that attacked first, and
> > continue to attack.  The Palestinians lost their territory when
> > they attacked Israel during the Yom Kippur war.  After they lost
> > that war, and stopped running and hiding, whining and crying for
> > mercy, they and the Fundamentalist Muslim maniacs started to
> > train their children to kill themselves while slaughtering
> > innocent people.
> > 
> Nazi facist. You say the "Arabs" attacked. If your referring to the
> WTC, there was, and still is no evidence, but for to witness bush and
> rumsfeld quickly leaving the scene, blaming a third of our world, and
> in showing,  a total non-commitment to finding answers by so doing.
> Your a weak bigoted racist, who's mind can't grasp the function of law
> in a civilization. Why not just say, "humans"  attacked? Yom Kipper
> war?  You know nothing of the history, nor your own identity. Who
> attacked first? When? What the fuck are you talking about in your cult
> like trance Douglas? See everyone, this is the slime that prevents us
> from speaking freely through corporate controls, in what was once a
> democracy in America.
> 
> > The Israelis do not strap bombs on their feeble minded and send
> > then to murder Palestinians, it is the other way around.
> No your dumb again. If some unknown madman, (sharon supported by
> bush), commits a crime, murder, in your community, should you be
> executed, as one not involved directly? Or a police officer for
> failing to make the arrest? Think! Now, it seems clear you didn't
> actually read any of my paper, because these points are made in the
> first paragraph. It's not my opinion, it's a fact. Take a look.
> 
> > Training your children to die while slaughtering innocent people,
> > and thereby sending them straight to hell in the process is about
> > as inhuman as it gets.
> Who? Your doing it again. The Palestianian Catholic, Muslims, and
> Jews? I will remind you, sharon is not a practicing Jew, and he also
> desecrated the THIRD Holiest of Holies. If I may quote from one of my
> own papers available at,
> http://www.johnnywizard.hotvomit.com
> Needless to say, this stupidity really started to tick off true
> Palestinian Jews, and in 1944 guerrilla attacks against the British
> american administration started with Menachem Begin issuing the world
> wide public out loud statement, (that was actually reported in many
> private newspapers in America believably now conveniently forgotten by
> the private billionaire republican war mongers at the pentagon and
> state department who take any excuse to destroy anyone with the
> deprived American tax payer's sayso, without argument, nor questions
> whatsoever.) "There is no longer any armistice between the Palestinian
> Jewish people which hands our brothers over to Hitler."
> The crimes against humanity are diliberately perpetrated, as too is
> condoned by sharon. Arafat doesn't believe in committing crimes
> against innocent civilians.
> Again, think! If a terrorist crime occurs in America, by an American,
> should we flatten Wisconsin?
> 
> > So stop the pathetic whines that somehow the Palestinians are the
> > victims.  They are about as much a victim as Osama Bin Satan.
> That is evil you represent friend. Suggesting that people are not
> people, but slave as you are propagandized to keep you giving to
> private bankers who do nothing. We are all unquantifiable equals under
> God or no God. Individuals, as to why, we must strive for Justice and
> freedom to all. For to not hold true to this tenant, is to whore
> yourself openly as a coward destined to hell by self willed truly
> honest. Like bush is dumb, a degenerate who doesn't believe in
> equality, as our democracies struggle to protect, which is why, he is
> working against America's Bill of Rights as a facist dictator, and
> wants to execute innocent people as a terrorist, the Anti-Christ he is
> really. I mean just think of it. He knows he's murdered tens of
> thousands of people for no crimes, but for struggling to survive, pure
> evil intent he moves as, who, is an advocate of the heroin trade, and
> the deaths of good loyal American soldiers. He tells us though, he
> secretly is really smart, smarter than everyone else. I frankly, find
> that very hard to believe.
> 
> > Snip rest of rant....similar....all whines and blubbers that
> > somehow the poor Palestinians are the victims.....what abject
> > nonsense.  You and Bev Thornton have much in common.
> Hmmm, you could not have read much. If you had your house stolen, and
> all your property confisgated, then told to go live in a camp
> surrounded by tanks, or be shot by american nazi soldier, (a house
> your family has lived in for a thousand years), then maybe your child
> is shot for thowing rocks at INVADING tanks, no matter what your
> background, you too, would grow angry for suffering an injustice by
> American ignorance that fights to keep people so.
> 
> > Doug Grant (Tm)
> See? A product! Thanks for participating though.
> Echem, bush has murdered thousands of innocent people. People in a
> country who's political position on the accused crime was right, and
> just, for requesting evidence before convicting an innocent man
> otherwise. If bush the nazi was interested in arresting Bin, why did
> he not just do that then? No evidence, that's why. Trying to get us
> off the subject of his, and rumsfeld's involment in the WTC senario.
> We have law in civilizattion for good, godlike reasons, for without,
> so too, wouild we be not free.
> Justice is what WE want. Echem, bush is a terrorist supporting, nazi
> facist murderer, case closed. A treasonist to all Americans, flags,
> the humans in fact, and the most haniously evil person who has ever
> existed.
> Where the hell are you?
> Dan Burton, one of the finest Republicans in office, a hero, and a
> true American patriot. Justice is what WE want, and the only good
> fight we have to live as a free society. Echem, bush is a terrorist
> supporting, nazi facist murderer, case closed. A treasonist to all
> Americans, flags, all humans in fact, and the most haniously evil
> person who has ever existed. Echem, bush is the Anti-Christ.
> To suggest that you with the U.S., would be as all other
> Americans currently, whoring yourself to a facist nazi leader,
> delegated to prostitution, to be not one single free citizen, nor god
> as our equal, just sucks man. Echem, bush couldn't care less for you
> as an American if he tried. Not only does bush not believe in a
> Justice system, as to what a civilized FREE society must maintain to
> stay as struggling for such, but he also as an incompentent dictator,
> a terrorist supporter, taken $200.00 from every man woman and child in
> America per capita.
> Every house on every residential street in every city, every football
> fan, and organized crime figures. Taken the 50 billion and put it in
> his pocket, and told everyone in government, and through the media,
> and the loyal military, he's not accountable to anyone as an
> illegitamte President. Not only that, but he has also stated he would
> murder innocent people without evidence for his mob's cash profit, and
> expects by threat, American's should pretend to respect him, for he'd
> murder any unknown person to steal our values, while watching loyal
> soldiers die by the hundreds, as he believes in no God of this
> Universe, nor, the American dream for anyone.
> Christianity, as are all religions, theorectically based on the
> indivisable absolute, of which in higher spheres of reason, can bring
> about deeper understandings of the Universe that surrounds us in
> context, relatively thinking. 'Don't murder nobody man' is the
> strongest in all possible worlds.
> > There is no dispute regarding corporate america supporting hitler
> throughout the war to kill Americans. How? By dumblugs such as
> yourselves afraid to face our challenges as the human species. Instead
> as you do, regarding Afghanistan, you coware as true nazis, just like
> many germans did through ignorance and fear.
> The fact is, We, as the Law, Universal, know bush is guilty for war
> crimes, murder, case closed. No evidence was offered to the Taliban,
> in effect standing on Justice, Freedom and Liberty for all
> internationally. But, CNN refuses to inform, being like you would fall
> silently too, thereby leaving the public, unresolved. Many horrific
> examples, but one most strong, is where they say our Bin, was
> threatening to nuke the USA. Totally fabricated, but they refuse to
> apologize to the American public for committing terrorism. As too
> harboring with the terrorist sharon, a murdering, like bush, nazi
> facist, who holds almost no support in any of our security forces, nor
> to anyone who believes in a God. The main trouble we have, is the
> ignorance of the main streamed public, who believe, CNN is working for
> American interests, when clearly, they feel little responsibility to
> protect Justice for Americans, as too, our good FBI officers, and
> dying soldiers. Echem, rumsfeld is guilty
> for treason really. It's just how will we inform soldiers, if they
> don't see it on CNN first, as corporate slaves to the machine, while
> we all are murdered unjustly, so bush can pocket some money. Echem,
> rumsfeld is responsible for the order of f16s to stand down the
> routine call for interception of the airliners, while we see also with
> film footage, a missile that was obviously prepared before hand to
> fire. Then the missing everything. FAA records, film of the passengers
> boarding flight, and CNN not reporting on the ISI's connection of a
> wire transfer of a $100,000.00 to the terrorists reported by our FBI.
> http://www.globalresearch.ca
> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
> http://www.emperors-clothes.com
> And, rumsfeld's madness of sadistic hatred towards innocent people,
> open and blatantly unAmerican, is inhuman, and extremely disturbing.
> So much so, we're all hoping a real American soldier, or our police
> officers, would be the ones to take him out rightly, for causing the
> deaths of American soldiers, Patriots, fighting in a battle AGAINST
> everything America has been brought up to believe in. Echem, bush is
> the Anti-Christ.
> http://www.johnnywizard.hotvomit.com
> Johnny Wizard
> 


So what are you saying that you didn't? You believe that the American
soldiers are committing evil by murdering good as innocent people, but
it's okay because, bush doesn't respect any life as your own? A
complete unknown? Because bush doesn't believe in Justice for
humanity, so too, should you not for yourself, and silently give up
democracy for all people as Americans? Being scared of someone like
yourself being honest, true, brave and strong? Whatever. As to reports
on American death counts, it's the Petagon that feels it's important
for American soldiers to not know how many have died fighting for the
heroin trade, and a puppet government of savage crininals to serve
bush jr.. You suggest though, as long as the innocent people who are
murdered,
don't live  directly in your community, you would support robbing,
murdering,  and stealing from all of us as them to give to the bushmob
as your religious idol? Do you like knowing that because of that
attitude as a corporated fascist sell out to yourself as a human
living, bush the dictator will countinue, as he has, with your rights
to freedom as well, because, who would be here to speak for you?
You wouldn't as bush hasn't right? When bush takes your equal rights
as an American, and tells you he's not accountable to the American
public through government, nor law, do you enjoy knowing you slave
whorishly for
bush, one so evil as a treasonist against everything the nation has
struggled for since it's beginnings? How do you feel about being so
anti-American my friend??



Stephen Harding <harding@hobart.cs.umass.edu> wrote in message news:<3C2CC421.EC743D80@hobart.cs.umass.edu>...
> Johnny Wizard wrote:
> > > Tell us all what I'm wrong on Jerry?
> > > [...]
> > > Example, the too late Bin tape is hokey from the get go. It's reaks
> > > ubsurdity.  I mean if Americans like Jerry could actually use their 
> In what way?  Are you an imaging expert that can tell us the video was
> manufactured in some way?  A video photoshop job?

Well, for starters, he wasn't left handed, he wasn't wearing his
wedding ring, and didn't seem too familiar with construction, even
having his degree and everything, his weight, his beard, his nose, and
well.. it's typical of what a secretly hiding from our intelligence
community would create stupidly.

> If so, why would the US government wait until the Taliban are nearly
> extinct from power before manufacturing the tape?

Because, as it was so shown, so too, did CNN state repeatedly, it was
then proof, for the war crimes against us committted. But, as you
should know, it was too much, too late. Although, the self labeled
ring fanatics to themselves degenerating (getting more preposterous as
we go, checkout 'guitarman'), will attempt perverting our Justice as
this Universe exists, by suggesting, therefor, attacking a nation
without evidence, but finding it later, somehow justifies the murders
of innocent people standing against an injustice, by protecting an
innocent person until proven otherwise.


> Why not manufacture the tape first, to justify military action in 
> Afghanistan?

Because as bush shows, he doesn't understand what freedom means in the
context of Justice for all, equal as a democracy demands. He felt he
should be able to blame quickly, someone on the WTC disaster without
our evidence, when what evidence was available pointed in other
directions. Like to himself as the Anti-Christ. Why should the
Taliban, on behalf of Bin, a wealthy individual who came to
Afghanistan and helped defeat the commies by fighting in the trenches,
be handed over without evidence to a kangaroo court, that dismisses
relevant information? That would be against God, an injustice to all,
as too, bush so is, in almost every other respect. His conduct in
government has always been against the general public, because till
now, we've been the easiest target, with corporate news refusing to
represent ourselves, and without a pretend King to hear the angels
sing.

> > minds to think, what a wonderful world this could be. Bin's position
> > with Afghanistan, was that he wasn't involved in the WTC, so even if
> > he was secretly Jerry, he certainly wouldn't confess to it publicly to
> > those giving their lives for such cause, while thousands dropped dead 
> He didn't confess it publicly.  It was a private tape, unintended for
> public display.

You almost have it there. It wouldn't be a proud moment before God, to
confess the sacrifices of life lost was done against God's will.
Jihad, and all that.

> Furthermore, he hardly "confesses" to planning the WTC attack.  He simply
> betrays some prior knowledge of it occurring.  A slip of the tongue so
> to speak.

Almost. Some of the tape was removed according to the translator. The
parts that were, have the character clearly, somehow, naming all nine
people the bushmob says did it without evidence. Going against the
FBI, and the paper trail of bush's friend, General Ahmad from the
dictatorship Pakistan, who was found to have sent by wire to Mohamed
Atta, $100,000, weeks prior to 9/11. General Ahmad had a person
meeting with bush as so it was uncovered by the FBI, just weeks prior
to 9/11!!!!!

> > by murder. He was willing, as too was the Taliban, to surrender to
> > American athorities by offering any evidence. Then names the nine
> > highjackers in celebration? Ya, he's gonna name all that bush in his
> > evilness of deception requires. Never mind that Jerry, even if it was
> > true, bush and rumfeld would still be guilty for mass murder, for they
> > offered no evidence, 
> Sure they did.  Most of the governments it was provided to said they were
> largely satisfied that the evidence indicated Bin Laden was involved.


Nobody said that but bush and CNN. Tony didn't in his interview, nor
has anyone else, but maybe rumsfeld.  It still doesn't matter though.
A foreign supposedly democratic Law abiding country can't make demands
against another but for to steal from them by murdering the only
government, for that would be criminal, and as it was, a crime against
humanity. Now, if the bushmob had concerns for the people of
Afghanistan, of which every human being should and does, why couldn't
he communicate that? What is the bush administraton's position on poor
people around the world? Well, to steal and murder from them by
supporting terrorist activities. Like sharon, and his plans for the
destitute of Iraq.  He didn't care about the people in Texas when
governor. What about cheney's raping and pillaging in Sudan? What
about Americans in relationship to aspertame? Or MMT? No care for us
people being poisoned there. The hypocrisy in painful.

> You say Bush and Rumsfield are guilty of mass murder.  Evidence?  Or is
> it secret, for your eyes only?

The Taliban was the best the nation had to offer after 21 years of
war. You can't bomb a population into education or civility. The new
more repressed government will still apply sharia law, but with also
drug runners and rapists in government illegitimately.

> If "mass murder" is the act of unleashing military forces against another,
> then please also throw in Abraham Lincoln and FDR as mass murderers of
> far bloodier capabilities.

There was no cause for war, but to steal and murder. Bin, as too, the
Taliban offered his arrest, upon the showing of evidence. But we now
know, bush and rumsfeld wanted to kill us innocent people as nazis
they are, for they were lobbied to do just that.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com Kinda like when the Pentagon private
contractors lobbied to not be arrested for treason, by removing the
'False Claims Act' from the American law books by paying bribes to
cowardly republicans.

> > > to a nation standing on Justice infinite. (Funny eh?) The
> > > very principles of the American flag, on all of which it once flew
> > > proud. Over 20.000 people, conservatively, have been murdered for no
> > > crime, but struggling to survive. The Taliban 
> Twenty thousand accroding to whom?  I don't think even the Taliban
> themselves have claimed that many Afghan civilians killed!  

As in the original paper thread, if you were a man in Afghanistan, and
wanted to protect your community from thieves, murderers, and rapists,
you would join the student revolution named, the Taliban. The total is
over 23,000, 23,000 are only the confirmed so far, police forces as
citizens combined.


> > were the government of Afghanistan. Are you a man Jerry, for if you
> > were in
> > Afghanistan you would be a member of the Taliban, in support of
> > protecting the community. Before the Taliban there was no law, women
> > were bought and sold, and you coudn't travel anywhere safely. Again 
> Yes and women were run out of any sort of public life, confined to their
> homes, and robbed of education; men were beaten because their beards
> weren't the correct length; cultural sites of priceless value defaced
> or destroyed; the economy more thoroughly wrecked; and providing safe
> refuge for persons who so serverely twisted and mangled one of the great
> religions of the world into a simple tool to justify murder.

Again, they're not the most advanced, nor as good and kind with wisdom
does so bring, but they were trying.  The statues were destroyed
because of the Taliban's understandable anger over foreign  countries
interested in cleaning them with millions, while ignoring the
starving. Women were confined only for a short period of time during
the transition into fashioning a government, for the slave owners were
upset they would no longer be allowed to own women. The Taliban's
concern was for their mothers and daughters safety. See? That is how
CNN defaces our humanity, for they'll repeat their lies without ever
offering apology. Who did they murder? Tell us? You must be referring
now to bush's nothern aliance drug runners right?

 
> It's interesting that the only people who seem to think the Taliban were
> OK are people who live somewhere other than where the Taliban rule!
> One Afghan woman stated she wished the foreign supporters of the Taliban
> could just live under them for 5 days, never mind the 5 years she had to
> endure!

Again, the Taliban were Afghanistan, and if you truly have a concern
for the innocent lives in Afghanistan, you would of the men who
believed in making something better for their nation.


> > Jerry, no evidence was offered. Echem, rumsfeld is a mass murdering
> > sadist, worst than hitler in his demeaner, who wants to execute people
> > who he knows are innocent, which is why he won't allow public
> > discussions through our corporate control, nor judicial 
> Here we come with the required Hitler comparison.  If you have any real
> knowledge of what Hitler did, you belittle his efforts by associating him
> with Bush.  If Bush is indeed a mass murderer, he's small time compared
> with Hitler.

Echem, rumsfeld and bush want to kill everyone without a rule of law,
to steal from ourselves.
 
> Ah the corporations are in this too!  I suppose that is a requirement of
> far leftist dogma.  By *definition* corporations are evil since they
> live for profit.  Capitalism promotes a corporate environment, and since
> the US is a capitalist country, it too is evil.

The human physiological dimension is not an easy subject, but I have
adressed it theoretically with reason in "Johnny's Last Stand". But an
example: why do you think CNN refuses to report on Greenspan's
trillion dollar margin call, taking from every American, as the loss
from your pocket, into his own and three private bankers?  Or
aspertame? Or MMT? Or much anything political when it has to concern
with the nation entirely? Monsanto? Mossad? CIA dealing cocaine?

> > > criminal trials, because he and bush are guilty for treason against
> > > every American soldier, duped or otherwise. He'd kill any unnkown for 
> Facts from where?  Cite?

The military tribunals are the introduction of a military
dictatorship. Without the public element to protect Justice, so too,
do we all lose to fear of being murdered silently, to we as our weaker
are turned fascist, and as a consequence all suffer. Especially
artists.


> > cash as a terrorist. Not my opinion, fact! Hundreds of American
> > soldiers have died!! Go ahead, were waiting, and waiting for 
> In Afghanistan?  Maybe so.  Bush did say that much of this war against
> terrorism could never be told.  I doubt a casualty list so high will
> remain hushed for very long though.  Bush said right up front, that 
> casualties are to be expected.  So far, publicly, they appear to have
> been very light.  Perhaps they are heavier than publicly stated.  I
> don't see any political gain from hiding real casualty numbers at this
> point of the effort though, and lots of political risk associated to
> misrepresenting the effort from the American people.

Can't be told? He is the nazi terrorist. He supports terrorist
activities willingly, and needs to be tried and convicted for treason,
or the NRA will get to him we'll order it. Or, all of humanity gets
destroyed by the bushmob from men too afraid to stand proud as men to
protect ourselves.


> I brief, I don't have any reason to believe your claims.  What are they
> based on?  You have your own network of agents in country?

I do try to praise the FBI as a private citizen, as too, I think
everyone else should as well. They have problems as any collective
group of individuals do, but, they have uncovered the biggest spy ring
in America recently,(http:www.whatreallyhappened.com)) work
excellently to protect our police services in many areas, and do seem
as an entity, having a genuine concern to bring the perpetrators of
the WTC to justice. But, again, see friends? CNN ignores the concerns
of American soldiers and citizens alike.


> > you to wake up.  Why not just murder more people in New York instead?
> > Echem, bush is the coward, nazi murderer, mute savage rat from
> > hell's sewer pit. He's the guy who ran quickly blaming 
> What's with the "Echem" stuff?

Well, I've explained this before, but okay one more time. Echemus was
as is myth. Echem'us' is of a winner to a just cause. And, I also
don't want to bring any honor to the Anti-Christ bush jr, nor
rumsfeld, the sadistic monster from way beyond normal. Some people
might go, oh, so cool, bush is the Anti-Christ, not understanding his
true nature symbolically as extremely evil. Gregory VII, hitler,
stalin, and Innocent III. Today's Pope of course, is super cool.
Echem, bush, he is dumb, which is what he has going for himself, if he
ever decided to change for the good of God as US truly.

> You already told us your *opinion* of Bush.  Bush bad; Taliban good.
> OK already!

People are good.

> > the good guys in a third world country without evidence, bombed
> The "good guys" meaning the Taliban?  You'll have a tough row to hoe
> with that line of thinking!
> > thousands of innocent people with no reason but to kill them, and
> > where CNN said, "Sure, Americans are proud to have good reason for
> > murdering innocent people, don't know it, but proud! Where's my flag?" 
> CNN said that?  As news or as an editorial?  I don't believe you.

It's a thought of reason to be terrified with. So, I guess that's why
few understand. God loves you.

> > Why? Because bush had no evidence, nor was interested in finding the
> > true culprits of the WTC disaster, or too, arresting Bin, because he 
> Pray tell how OBL could be arrested?  You mean Ashcroft could have 
> simply sent him a summons to appear at a US Federal court by some date 
> instead of all this??!!!!  You're right, Bush is a pig!

Hey.... We agree! Although, I like pigs. Let's just go with fascist
nazi mass murdering savage, okay?


> > couldn't as nazi fascist traitor. Also, if I knew that the
> > pictures on my site, particularly page four at the bottom, could be
> > used to feed the people of the world, don't ya think I would try? 
> Well, pictures aren't particularly nourishing.  I suppose you could
> print them out on a Graham cracker base, then ship them to some embassy
> in Afghanistan you trust, for distribution to the hungry.
> I don't think they've figured out how to run graham crackers through a
> printer without breaking them up, so that option is out I suppose.  Still
> your thoughts are well enough intentioned. 
> > >http:www.johnnywizard.hotvomit.com 
> You're wearing me down Johnny!  I can't play no mo'.

Awe.... Thanks though for helping us out.
 
> I'll part with a recommendation that you change the name of the URL above.
> Such a name subtracts from your credibility.  A better name will encourage
> persons to read at least some of the content, before dismissing you.
> SMH

I think http:www.johnnywizard.hotvomit.com is fantastic!! Like
shitdisturber!

Take care..

Johnny Wizard

Notes to a alt.military post

Ya right you nazi coward. You know it's because in an actual court of
law, bush would be convicted for war crimes against God, US, as he
would have at Nuremburg. Nuremburg you were allowed to defend
yourself, Anti-Christ bush can't actually lay criminal charges against
the Taliban, because they were Just, in requesting evidence that
doesn't exist, for without, Bin would be, as he still is, innocent of
the WTC disaster, and America, guilty for crimes against humanity.
Now, you likely know this, but as a fascist nazi slave whore, you
pretend you don't on hopes you as a soldier won't be sacrificed for
the heroin trade savage northern alliance, because your not a real
soldier, nor even man. A rat has a higher place in this Kingdom than
you do, as the crap you profess as a traitor to America, and on all of
which the flag represents. Justice for all.





> >
> > Here is the original post regarding the Tribunals:
> > news:<f57653c0.0112220254.1389b2d7@posting.google.com>
> >
> > And this one is a shortened version, three paragraphs with Jeff,  on
> > the discussion so far with many military usenet sites on the charges
> > of treason against bush and rumsfeld regarding the Airliners,
> > news:<f57653c0.0112251503.76d370b@posting.google.com>
> >
> > http://www.johnnywizard.hotvomit.com
> >
> > http://www.globalresearch.ca
> > http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
> > http://www.emperors-clothes.com
> >
> > 
> Afghanistan: US rules out surrender 
> and turns Tora Bora into a killing field
> 17 December 2001
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/dec2001/afgh-d17.shtml
> > More evidence of US war crimes in Afghanistan: 
> Taliban POWs suffocated inside cargo containers
> 13 December 2001
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/dec2001/pows-d13.shtml
> > The Geneva Convention and the 
> US massacre of POWs in Afghanistan
> 7 December 2001
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/dec2001/pows-d07.shtml



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