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In article <4l838v$ott@omega.metrics.com>, someone@somewhere.com says...
>
First, let me apologize for putting my name to something
other than the real thing.  However, I do not want my
employer or service provider to pay any cost if someone
decides to be vindictive and call the big bad union cops.
This way, I can express my opinion and hopefully not worry
about incurring some damage on them.

That said, I am all for a day of protest, but as mentioned
in the subject line, only for the right reasons.  The current
protest angers me a lot.  The closest example that I can come
up with is a spoiled teenager being told by their parent that
they need to cut back on allowance and extras because of
financial problems.
>
This is where Ontario is at the moment.  For the last 20 years,
people have been asking for money and getting it.  Now, people
expect that and when they are told no, they complain.  They didn't
complain that we were spending too much when they were getting a
lot of money, so they shouldn't complain now.

Having said this, I think there are poor people who really need
the money, and we should protest against those that are on welfare
and don't need to be.  There is also more money that could be spent
on education and hospitals, but not on misuses of that.  Why should
we pay 3 times the costs of seeing a doctor because someone has
a little cold and cannot wait until the morning.

Is my position typical of Ontarians?  I am not sure.  I am a first
generation Canadian, and my parents and I have worked very hard
to get to the point where we are.  I had to sacrifice ski trips and
special clothing because we simply could not afford it.  I had to
help out with a garden to help cut the food bill.  I had to take
an extra job for spending money and to help my folks out.  Having
been born into a lower class Ontario family, I think I do have some
experience to speak from, and some validity in my statements.

so, let us protest the following:

[specifics snipped]

thank you for your time,
a concerned citizen in Kitchener-Waterloo
-------------------------------------------

Excellent post.  I feel the same as you. I want to know that the tax 
dollars that go for social assistance are really helping people that need 
it, not supporting a chosen lifestyle.  As the government tit dries up, 
we are going to see a reawakened sense of individual repsonsibilithy in 
this province.  It used to be there before the philosophy of "I am, 
therefore I am entitled" took seized the populace.   

BTW don your asbestos underwear; you will probably get flamed big time 
from all the predictable quarters.

John D.
------------------------------------------

Thank you for an excellent posting.  I am happy to state my general 
agreement.
    Maybe these postings will provoke further thought and influence some 
to act on improving their lot in life by helping themselves more.
    I am reminded of the road sign on the way into Perth County, Ontario, 
that says:  "By Work and Worth, We Rise."
    Amen.
-- 
Charlie Hall

Back on 20 Apr 1996 10:12:18 GMT, the esteemed writer
wordwork@fox.nstn.ca (wordwork) keyed the following:
 
>In article <4l838v$ott@omega.metrics.com>, someone@somewhere.com says...
>>
>First, let me apologize for putting my name to something
>other than the real thing.  However, I do not want my
>employer or service provider to pay any cost if someone
>decides to be vindictive and call the big bad union cops.
>This way, I can express my opinion and hopefully not worry
>about incurring some damage on them.
>
>That said, I am all for a day of protest, but as mentioned
>in the subject line, only for the right reasons.  The current
>protest angers me a lot.  The closest example that I can come
>up with is a spoiled teenager being told by their parent that
>they need to cut back on allowance and extras because of
>financial problems.
>>
>This is where Ontario is at the moment.  For the last 20 years,
>people have been asking for money and getting it.  Now, people
>expect that and when they are told no, they complain.  They didn't
>complain that we were spending too much when they were getting a
>lot of money, so they shouldn't complain now.
>
>Having said this, I think there are poor people who really need
>the money, and we should protest against those that are on welfare
>and don't need to be.  There is also more money that could be spent
>on education and hospitals, but not on misuses of that.  Why should
>we pay 3 times the costs of seeing a doctor because someone has
>a little cold and cannot wait until the morning.
>
>Is my position typical of Ontarians?  I am not sure.  I am a first
>generation Canadian, and my parents and I have worked very hard
>to get to the point where we are.  I had to sacrifice ski trips and
>special clothing because we simply could not afford it.  I had to
>help out with a garden to help cut the food bill.  I had to take
>an extra job for spending money and to help my folks out.  Having
>been born into a lower class Ontario family, I think I do have some
>experience to speak from, and some validity in my statements.
>
>so, let us protest the following:
>
>[specifics snipped]
>
>thank you for your time,
>a concerned citizen in Kitchener-Waterloo
>-------------------------------------------
>
>Excellent post.  I feel the same as you. I want to know that the tax 
>dollars that go for social assistance are really helping people that need 
>it, not supporting a chosen lifestyle.  As the government tit dries up, 
>we are going to see a reawakened sense of individual repsonsibilithy in 
>this province.  It used to be there before the philosophy of "I am, 
>therefore I am entitled" took seized the populace.   
>
>BTW don your asbestos underwear; you will probably get flamed big time 
>from all the predictable quarters.
>
>John D.
>------------------------------------------
>
>
>

I agree. As a Reform party and Harris supporter, I agree.  Help those
who can't help themselves.  Help those that can help themselves help
themselves better.

You don't have to be left of center to have compassion.  I am not rich
by any means -- I spend all my spare cash on an ISDN line!

Take care,


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In article <4lada2$c66@news.istar.ca>, wordwork <wordwork@fox.nstn.ca> wrote:
>In article <4l838v$ott@omega.metrics.com>, someone@somewhere.com says...

[good article deleted]

>thank you for your time,
>a concerned citizen in Kitchener-Waterloo
>-------------------------------------------
>
>Excellent post.  I feel the same as you. I want to know that the tax 
>dollars that go for social assistance are really helping people that need 
>it, not supporting a chosen lifestyle.  As the government tit dries up, 
>we are going to see a reawakened sense of individual repsonsibilithy in 
>this province.  It used to be there before the philosophy of "I am, 
>therefore I am entitled" took seized the populace.   

I agree with this as well. This is one more reason for putting 
responsibility for social assistance back to the community - volunteers 
who are "right there" will be better able to tell those who are in 
need of a helping hand vs those in need of a little honest work for 
a change.

>BTW don your asbestos underwear; you will probably get flamed big time 
>from all the predictable quarters.

I haven't had that experience myself. Most of them call you names 
at worst, but don't have any viable solutions of their own to offer 
when questioned.

Tim Kuehn

In article <317AA0E9.670@hookup.net>, Charlie Hall  <cwhall@hookup.net> wrote:
>    I am reminded of the road sign on the way into Perth County, Ontario, 
>that says:  "By Work and Worth, We Rise."

That sign is offensive!  It implies that if I have "risen" (whatever
that means), I'm either lazy, or (worse still) inherently undeserving
of success!

I suggest a special Crown Commission be formed to scour Ontario for
such signs, and have them removed.  Or at least, study the impact of
removing them.  Or....
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-------------------------------------+----------------+-----------------
Jeffrey Robertson                    |  jeffr@bnr.ca  |      BNR, Ottawa
"I speak for myself, not BNR" - Me   +----------------+       (Meriline)
"Verbing weirds language" - Calvin                      OC-48 FiberWorld

timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Timothy D. Kuehn) wrote:

>I agree with this as well. This is one more reason for putting 
>responsibility for social assistance back to the community - volunteers 
>who are "right there" will be better able to tell those who are in 
>need of a helping hand vs those in need of a little honest work for 
>a change.

Oh, give us a **teeny** break. These would be the same community
volunteers whose organizations and infrastructure have been gutted by
Harris since he got elected. 

Who did you think ran those women's shelters we used to have? People
from Mars?

Who did you think organized those community based housing projects
that were going to be built? Who did you think worked in the hostels?
The co-op daycares? The fucking food banks? The community museums, for
crying out loud?

Do you think those things deserve some support from the community? I
do. I used to think that government thought so too, and did something
about it.

Not these bozos. Finance the tax cut while seniors lose their homes,
and poor ol' granny pays for her drugs. Nice people, these Harris
morons.

Go tax fucking Frank Stronach if you want to fight the deficit. Jeez,
poor guy only made $45 million last year....

But not Harris. He's going to give him a tax **cut**... Happy day for
Ontario?

nick


Nick Sidor
nsidor@magi.com

The sign also ignores yeast infections ;-)


jeffr@bnr.ca (Jeffrey Robertson) wrote:

>>In article <317AA0E9.670@hookup.net>, Charlie Hall  <cwhall@hookup.net> wrote:
>>>    I am reminded of the road sign on the way into Perth County, Ontario, 
>>>that says:  "By Work and Worth, We Rise."
>>
>>That sign is offensive!  It implies that if I have "risen" (whatever
>>that means), I'm either lazy, or (worse still) inherently undeserving
>>of success!
>>
>>I suggest a special Crown Commission be formed to scour Ontario for
>>such signs, and have them removed.  Or at least, study the impact of
>>removing them.  Or....
>>-- 
>>-------------------------------------+----------------+-----------------
>>Jeffrey Robertson                    |  jeffr@bnr.ca  |      BNR, Ottawa
>>"I speak for myself, not BNR" - Me   +----------------+       (Meriline)
>>"Verbing weirds language" - Calvin                      OC-48 FiberWorld


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In article <4lk216$jvb@bmerhc5e.bnr.ca>,
Jeffrey Robertson <jeffr@bnr.ca> wrote:
>In article <317AA0E9.670@hookup.net>, Charlie Hall  <cwhall@hookup.net> wrote:
>>    I am reminded of the road sign on the way into Perth County, Ontario, 
>>that says:  "By Work and Worth, We Rise."
>
>That sign is offensive!  It implies that if I have "risen" (whatever
>that means), I'm either lazy, or (worse still) inherently undeserving
>of success!
>
>I suggest a special Crown Commission be formed to scour Ontario for
>such signs, and have them removed.  Or at least, study the impact of
>removing them.  Or....

I presume from the rather ridiculous nature of your post that this
is a joke.

Personally, I think we more of those kinds of signs around. A good 
day's work never hurt anyone.

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Timothy D. Kuehn (timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca) wrote:
: I presume from the rather ridiculous nature of your post that this
: is a joke.
: Personally, I think we more of those kinds of signs around. A good 
: day's work never hurt anyone.

 Unless, of course, you're a soldier in a war, in which case your work is 
good when you *do* hurt someone.

 (In all seriousness, though, people who sit around and say things like 
"A good day's work never hurt anyone" strike me as being the kind of 
Calvinist knobs that judge people on external accomplishments rather than 
internal virtues. Why be a good person when you can work hard and buy a 
nice car?)
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In article <4lvbik$tvc@ophelia.waterloo.net>,
Pat Spacek <pspacek@ophelia.waterloo.net> wrote:
>
> (In all seriousness, though, people who sit around and say things like 
>"A good day's work never hurt anyone" strike me as being the kind of 
>Calvinist knobs that judge people on external accomplishments rather than 
>internal virtues. Why be a good person when you can work hard and buy a 
>nice car?)

You're assuming that "success"="monitary wealth", and that
"rise"= "rise the fiscal ladder".  Why can't a "good day's work" mean
"A day spent being a good person"?

David
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