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Article #2070Re: The "Sleep Nazis" of Santa Cruz
From: Brad Allen
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:03
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:03
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In article <cb8bd93a.0403051552.788e706e@posting.google.com>, Proprclr <balanco01@yahoo.com> wrote: " Unfortunately, sleeping bans are in effect in many, many areas, all " over America. Many (if not most) of these places don't even have " this fact posted in public. Ok, so I found an old discussion about sleeping bans. I think sleeping bans are a way to pragmatically identify who is homeless and an act of homelessness being conducted. However, sleeping bans contribute to the sense that if you sleep, you are criminal or asking for trouble, such as from criminals, which further deteriorates the social standards of society. Instead, some bums could be our first line of defense against crime, but instead, "we" (not I) infest ourselves with crime by making them the criminals. One major effect is that those who are here don't get decent sleep, and a result is further mental and physical incapacity. Therefore, I think exceptions to the sleeping bans should be carefully drafted to allow citizens to sleep in appropriate conditions, but still be able to achieve the purpose of the law. This can be hard. But, then, the purpose of the law is itself a larger problem. This all has to be considered as part of a larger system. What exactly is the message? If you're an illegal immigrant, you get jobs, special treatment, and a carte blance to commit any crime you want, but furthermore you get to spread lower social standards, steal, rape, and take the lives and jobs of good citizens, as well, but on the other hand if you're just a homeless person, you have no place on this earth, the least of all which to sleep? That doesn't make any sense. If there was a system for dealing with this that worked, such as a peaceful place to let the homeless go, use a minimum of society's resources, and not bother us, OK, but if we continue this high-density population policy, then hurting ourselves by telling us we cannot sleep when we have no more fields or forests and have been priced out of our own homes by invaders and thieves just seems plain stupid.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 106ed4,cdabcfe8e0f73f0f X-Google-Attributes: gid106ed4,public X-Google-Thread: 10d50a,cdabcfe8e0f73f0f X-Google-Attributes: gid10d50a,public X-Google-Thread: 107d03,cdabcfe8e0f73f0f X-Google-Attributes: gid107d03,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-02 18:05:08 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!propagator3-cogent!in.nntp.be!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: la.general,ca.general,scruz.general Subject: Re: The "Sleep Nazis" of Santa Cruz References: <cb8bd93a.0403011333.266a40c5@posting.google.com> <c20cn6$s3q@u1.netgate.net> <cb8bd93a.0403051552.788e706e@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) From: ulmo@usenet.q.net (Brad Allen) Originator: ulmo@usenet.q.net (Brad Allen) Lines: 40 Message-ID: <zXobc.3523$Fo4.37604@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:03:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.142.67.160 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1080957791 64.142.67.160 (Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:03:11 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:03:11 PST