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I'm going to quote a lot of this article, because there might be a lot
who already lost most of it in their USENET expiration systems:

In article <050320041754163845%timcmay@removethis.got.net>,
Tim May  <timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote:
" In article <cb8bd93a.0403051552.788e706e@posting.google.com>,
" Proprclr <balanco01@yahoo.com> wrote:
" 
" > geoffm@u1.netgate.net (Geoff Miller) wrote in message
" > news:<c20cn6$s3q@u1.netgate.net>...
" > > Proprclr <balanco01@yahoo.com> writes:
" > > 
" > > > So what the hell is the homeless supposed to do, stay awake
" > > > until they lose it and die?
" > > 
" > > 
" > > Go someplace else, obviously -- someplace that isn't covered
" > > by the sleeping ban.  Someplace that isn't Santa Cruz, in
" > > other words.
" > 
" >  Unfortunately, sleeping bans are in effect in many, many areas,
" > all over America. Many (if not most) of these places don't even
" > have this fact posted in public.
" 
" Years ago, hoboes and bums camped in what were called, naturally
" enough, "hobo camps." These were on the outskirts of towns, near
" train yards, etc.

Which, when necessary, is preferred, rather than the below, with rare
exceptions (such as camps that are crime ridden and unsafe for hobos
and those who have to meet them).

" Today's bums, drifters, addicts, and crack hoes don't find out of
" the way places to camp:

or aren't even wanted in those reject camps (reject rejects!  they
*truely* ought to be in prison, as opposed to the innocent sleeping
types of hobos)

" they are "in your face" about camping on the streets of cities, in
" the alcoves of shops (which have to hose off the urine in the
" morning), and even in private yards (at least here in Santa Cruz
" this is a recurring problem: homeowners finding assorted druggies
" and Deadheads camping in their yards).
" 
" This is why cities and towns are "cracking down" on those who set up
" camp in populated areas, on private property, defecating and
" urinating on public lands, encroaching into private yards and lands.

So, those bad acts cited in the above two paragraphs should be
directly enforced.  People need to start obtaining night vision
cameras, sometimes with low interest community loans to get the
equipment, etc., so that the actual bad acts themselves can be
stopped, rather than the more innocent ones.  If you're doing any of
those really bad things, you should be put into jail, not just for
sleeping.  Trespassing (and land wear and tear) might still be another
topic, but I think the act of sleeping by itself seems innocent.
However, smelling bad, however it's conducted, is inexcusable, so
don't think I'm sitting here advocating a whole range of welfare
protections for people.

There is a clear difference between promoting a society which is clean
and safe, and promoting a society which enforces that we are lucky or
else and cleanliness and safety are lower priorities.  The former is
the correct method.

Meanwhile, just because I advocate taking care of those who are on the
planet according to how deserving they are, I also think we should
penalize and prohibit high population density behavior, since that's
either the largest or second largest cause of the problems in the
first place (the other being good vs. evil).


[I've called police about can collectors when I'm trying to sleep
during standard sleep hours while living in dense areas, and the
police dutifully removed them (I don't know to where or how).  Waking
me up (interrupting my sleep) for no good reason was a bad act,
regardless of how dumbly my apartment was designed.  On those few
occasions when I had to call them, I even got back to sleep!  It was a
very comforting feeling to know I was protected from such evil.  It's
much different than calling them about somebody sleeping in a safe
place out of the way not bothering me, though; I can see the
difference between the people who slept on vents out of the way and
those who slept on vents in the way, although I'm not certain either
is safe for them; in places like forests, we have to be concerned
about the damage to the forest, etc., but if that is not a problem,
then it seems OK to me, and the sleepers ought to be protected,
otherwise if they're damaging my (or anyone's) forests, stick them
into prison!  Don't damage my trees or ecosystem (past what they can
actually naturally sustain without life impediment)!]