🚀 go-pugleaf

Proprclr <balanco01@yahoo.com> writes:

> Sadly, there are few public restrooms out there, and it's
> hard for them to find someplace to p.

Which is an outstanding reason for them to leave the area
and find a place that's more bladder- (and bum-) friendly.


> I hate to hark on this, but what polite society? The society
> that spends much of its time obsessed with money, buying crap
> at Wal*mart, and shutting themselves out from the world's
> problems? The society that often condemns people who are 
> different, asnd finds excuses to treat them like shit? 

The society that's sufficiently civilized, socialized, and well
mannered to grasp that public sleeping and elimination, begging,
and derganged (and sometimes threatening) behavior are affronts
to the common good.  Look, if I have to explain to you precisely
*why* these things are bad, there's little point in continuing
this discussion.


> "Polite" society isn't as polite as you may think

Then again, the things you enumerated above have nothing to do
with the concept of "polite" that's relevant here.  Or any other
definition of the term that I've ever heard of.  "Buying crap at
Wal-Mart," etcetera, has precious little to do with vagrancy.

You're obviously determined to heap derision on American culture
at all costs.  That's silly enough in itself, but at least try to
save it for occasions when it's remotely topical.  


> Remember, there are no public showers, and very few charities
> that have them available for the homeless

Then the obvious message here is that vagrants aren't welcome,
not that the lack of facilities gives them an excuse to engage
in antisocial behavior.


: Why do bleeding-heart liberals like you have such a powerful 
: instinct for defending society's failures and fuckups?

> Maybe society ,or their parents, or the economy ("You're being
> laid off. We are "sending" your job overseas") failed them. 

The key word is "maybe."  You bleeding-heart liberals are so
determined not to judge anyone harshly that you'll go to absurd
lengths to give people the benefit of the doubt.  That's because
you're moral relativists who are in denial about the existence
of fundamental "good" and "bad."  Nobody's wrong, everyone is 
right in his own special little way, right?  Wrong!

How exactly would "society" fail somebody?  That's nothing but
fuzzy-minded handwaving.  It's the individual's job to adapt to
society, not vice versa.  And anyone whose parents "failed him" 
has an obligation to make up for it through his own efforts.
That's what society expects of adults.



Geoff

-- 
"They suffer from the same disease as other liberals; 
 they have run out of other people's money."
		      -- Margaret Thatcher