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"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:24:12 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing
> <jwn@ripco.com> wrote:
>
>>In chi.general Chicago Paddling-Fishing <jwn@ripco.com> wrote:
>>: In chi.general Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:
>>: : On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:30:41 GMT, "    krp" <web2457k@verizon.net>
>>: : wrote:
>>
>>: :>
>>: :>"Chicago Paddling-Fishing" <jwn@ripco.com> wrote in message
>>: :>news:ebvjr8$719$1@e250.ripco.com...
>>: :>>
>>: :>> :>> :> > : Who fired first, huh?!?  Israel isn't allowed to defend 
>>itself?
>>: :>> :>> :>
>>: :>> :>> :> > I think at this point it's impossible to tell who fired 
>>first...
>>: :>> it
>>: :>> :>> seems
>>: :>> :>> :> > whenever there is a considerable lull in the action though 
>>Israel
>>: :>> :>> takes a
>>: :>> :>> :> > shot at someone they say is a terrorist leader and the 
>>violence
>>: :>> :>> starts
>>: :>> :>> :> > anew.
>>: :>> :>> :>
>>: :>> :>> :>     No it isn't hard. It started with Hezbollah firing 
>>rockets into
>>: :>> :>> Israel,
>>: :>> :>> :> killing 9 border guard soldiers and kidnapping two. How far 
>>do you
>>: :>> :>> want to
>>: :>> :>> :> go back?
>>: :>> :>> :> 1948?
>>: :>> :>>
>>: :>> :>> : Or with Hesbollah ambushing an Israeli patrol in Aitaa al 
>>Chaab.
>>: :>> :>>
>>: :>> :>> Is "Aitaa al Chaab" in Israel?
>>: :>>
>>: :>> :> No. In Lebanon. There are reports that the Israeli soldiers 
>>originally
>>: :>> :> killed and kidnapped were engaged in a reconnaissance patrol over 
>>the
>>: :>> :> border when they were ambushed.
>>: :>>
>>: :>> :     No in ISRAEL - there are always "REPORTS" - in this case FROM
>>: :>> : Hezbollah - that came two days later. HOW do you explain that the 
>>bodies
>>: :>> of
>>: :>> : the 9 Israeli border guards were found a half mile INSIDE Israel? 
>>How do
>>: :>> you
>>: :>> : explain the tunnels etc? In Psychology the "story" that eventually 
>>came
>>: :>> from
>>: :>> : "Hezbollah" would be termed "justification" - but I call it just 
>>MAKING
>>: :>> UP
>>: :>> : EXCUSES! Or bullshit.
>>: :>> :
>>: :>>
>>: :>> Even our government says they were kidnapped in Lebanon...
>>: :>>
>>: :>> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/07/12/wednesday/index.html
>>: :>>
>>: :>> "WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House denounced Wednesday's 
>>kidnapping of
>>: :>> two
>>: :>> Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah guerrillas in southern Lebanon and
>>: :>> criticized
>>: :>> Iran and Syria for backing the Islamic militia. "
>>: :>
>>: :>    Even the US gets it wrong. The FACT remains that the APV and the 9 
>>dead
>>: :>soldiers were inside Israel.
>>: :>
>>: :>
>>: :>
>>: : The US didn't "get it wrong", the morons at CNN got it wrong. Here's
>>: : the press release:
>>
>>: : "Today Hizballah terrorists operating from Lebanon kidnapped two
>>: : Israeli soldiers and launched rocket attacks against civilian targets
>>: : in Israel. The United States condemns in the strongest terms this
>>: : unprovoked act of terrorism, which was timed to exacerbate already
>>: : high tensions in the region and sow further violence. We also hold
>>: : Syria and Iran, which have provided long-standing support for
>>: : Hizballah, responsible for today's violence. We call for the immediate
>>: : and unconditional release of the Israeli soldiers.
>>
>>: : Hizballah's terrorist operations threaten Lebanon's security and are
>>: : an affront to the sovereignty of the Lebanese Government. Hizballah's
>>: : actions are not in the interest of the Lebanese people, whose welfare
>>: : should not be held hostage to the interests of the Syrian and Iranian
>>: : regimes. We reiterate the international community's insistence that
>>: : all parties in the region fulfill their obligations under UN Security
>>: : Council resolutions 1559 and 1680, and cease all support for
>>: : Hizballah. "
>>
>>: : CNN decided to put their own spin on the press release and the liberal
>>: : morons bought it, hook, line, and sinker.
>>
>>: : Yea... they are that stupid.
>>
>>: That press release doesn't say where the soldiers were kidnapped....
>>: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060712.html (although 
>>it
>>: does say "operating from Lebanon")
>>
>>: But... if you read Secretary of State Rice's briefing she does...
>>: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060713-8.html
>>: "... Let me just step back for a moment and remind us all how this 
>>began. This
>>:  began with the abduction of an Israeli soldier in Gaza, a similar 
>>abduction
>>:  in Lebanon. ..."
>>
>>: The Secretary of State doesn't say they went into Israel either... 
>>soldiers
>>: were abducted in Gaza (not part of Israel) and Lebanon (not part of 
>>Israel).
>>
>>: It's true that the U.S. may send law enforcement personel into other 
>>countries,
>>: but that is only with approval of that nation...  Can we invade Mexico 
>>to
>>: stop illegal items or people coming across the boarder?  Not by 
>>international
>>: law!
>>
>>
>>Wow... no all capitol letter reply telling me Secretary of State Rice is 
>>all
>>wrong and the attack happened in Israel?  So, we all agree with Secretary 
>>of
>>State and former National Security Advisor Rice that the soldier 
>>abductions
>>didn't happen in Israel?
>
> If that feeds your fantasy...
>
>>
>>In case your having trouble finding it... it's in the second paragraph:
>>http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060713-8.html
>>
>>1st paragraph
>>  SECRETARY RICE: All right, let me just make a brief statement, and then
>>  Steve will follow on with a brief statement. And then we'll be happy to
>>  take your questions.
>>
>>2nd paragraph
>>  Obviously, there is considerable concern about the situation in the 
>> Middle
>>  East, both the situation in Gaza and the situation that has emerged in
>>  Lebanon. Let me just step back for a moment and remind us all how this
>>  began. This began with the abduction of an Israeli soldier in Gaza, a
>>  similar abduction in Lebanon. It had followed weeks of rocket attacks
>>  against Israeli population centers. This itself escalated today with 
>> attacks
>>  against Haifa, a major population center.
>
> Throughout that entire briefing, Rice talked about the Lebanon
> situation. It is in that reference that she referred to the abduction
> of 2 Israeli soldiers and their abduction into Lebanon by Hesbolah
> factions in Lebanon.
>
> And Hadley cleared up the information later in the briefing:
> MR. HADLEY: Let me just make two points on that. One is about
> Hezbollah. Hezbollah took this action using Lebanese territory to
> attack northern Israel without the authorization of the Lebanese
> government. This is not the way democratic parties behave. It is also
> one of the reasons 1559 talked about disarming militias, getting them
> out of the terror business into the political process, and having only
> one authority, which is the government authority, imposing security
> throughout the country.
>
>
> Here's part of the story from the Jerusalem Post:
> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1150885988710
> The IDF released the names of the two soldiers on Thursday. According
> to the IDF Spokesperson, the two reserve are Ehud Goldwasser, 31, from
> Nahariya, and Eldad Regev, 26, from Kiryat Motzkin.
>
> Hizbullah guerrillas, who are backed by Iran, seized the soldiers
> Wednesday in a cross-border raid.
>
> And there's always this little tidbit:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldad_Regev
> "The fighting began at around 8 AM when Hezbollah launched a barrage
> of Katyusha rockets and mortars on Israeli towns and military
> positions along the Lebanese border, apparently as a diversion.[1] A
> force then attacked two armored IDF Humvees patrolling near the
> Israeli village of Zar'it with anti-tank rockets, killing three
> soldiers and capturing the two others, and then retreating into
> Lebanon near the town of Ayta al-Sha`b.
>
> An Israeli Merkava Mk. II tank was destroyed by a 200-300 kg
> improvised explosive device while attempting to pursue the soldiers
> into Lebanon, killing all four crewmembers.[2] An eighth soldier was
> killed while attempting to retrieve their bodies."
>
>
> You still want to whine about Israeli soldiers inside Lebanon?
> Or are you just wanting to whine like all the other liberal buffoons?
>
> Mike Smith

There! Mike said so, and Mike never lies. ( Except when he's lying ).
So let's hear it for the red-white-and blue, and the blue and white!
We would never use the US funded and armed Zionists as a cats-paw to draw 
Syria
and Iran into war. Never, damn you! Or was is really about water? I forget.