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> In chi.general Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:
> : On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:24:12 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing
> : <jwn@ripco.com> wrote:
>
> :>In chi.general Chicago Paddling-Fishing <jwn@ripco.com> wrote:
> :>: In chi.general Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:
> :>: : On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:30:41 GMT, "    krp" <web2457k@verizon.net>
> :>: : wrote:
> :>
> :>: :>
> :>: :>"Chicago Paddling-Fishing" <jwn@ripco.com> wrote in message
> :>: :>news:ebvjr8$719$1@e250.ripco.com...
> :>: :>>
> :>: :>> :>> :> > : Who fired first, huh?!?  Israel isn't allowed to defend 
> itself?
> :>: :>> :>> :>
> :>: :>> :>> :> > I think at this point it's impossible to tell who fired 
> first...
> :>: :>> it
> :>: :>> :>> seems
> :>: :>> :>> :> > whenever there is a considerable lull in the action 
> though Israel
> :>: :>> :>> takes a
> :>: :>> :>> :> > shot at someone they say is a terrorist leader and the 
> violence
> :>: :>> :>> starts
> :>: :>> :>> :> > anew.
> :>: :>> :>> :>
> :>: :>> :>> :>     No it isn't hard. It started with Hezbollah firing 
> rockets into
> :>: :>> :>> Israel,
> :>: :>> :>> :> killing 9 border guard soldiers and kidnapping two. How far 
> do you
> :>: :>> :>> want to
> :>: :>> :>> :> go back?
> :>: :>> :>> :> 1948?
> :>: :>> :>>
> :>: :>> :>> : Or with Hesbollah ambushing an Israeli patrol in Aitaa al 
> Chaab.
> :>: :>> :>>
> :>: :>> :>> Is "Aitaa al Chaab" in Israel?
> :>: :>>
> :>: :>> :> No. In Lebanon. There are reports that the Israeli soldiers 
> originally
> :>: :>> :> killed and kidnapped were engaged in a reconnaissance patrol 
> over the
> :>: :>> :> border when they were ambushed.
> :>: :>>
> :>: :>> :     No in ISRAEL - there are always "REPORTS" - in this case 
> FROM
> :>: :>> : Hezbollah - that came two days later. HOW do you explain that 
> the bodies
> :>: :>> of
> :>: :>> : the 9 Israeli border guards were found a half mile INSIDE 
> Israel? How do
> :>: :>> you
> :>: :>> : explain the tunnels etc? In Psychology the "story" that 
> eventually came
> :>: :>> from
> :>: :>> : "Hezbollah" would be termed "justification" - but I call it just 
> MAKING
> :>: :>> UP
> :>: :>> : EXCUSES! Or bullshit.
> :>: :>> :
> :>: :>>
> :>: :>> Even our government says they were kidnapped in Lebanon...
> :>: :>>
> :>: :>> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/07/12/wednesday/index.html
> :>: :>>
> :>: :>> "WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House denounced Wednesday's 
> kidnapping of
> :>: :>> two
> :>: :>> Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah guerrillas in southern Lebanon and
> :>: :>> criticized
> :>: :>> Iran and Syria for backing the Islamic militia. "
> :>: :>
> :>: :>    Even the US gets it wrong. The FACT remains that the APV and the 
> 9 dead
> :>: :>soldiers were inside Israel.
> :>: :>
> :>: :>
> :>: :>
> :>: : The US didn't "get it wrong", the morons at CNN got it wrong. Here's
> :>: : the press release:
> :>
> :>: : "Today Hizballah terrorists operating from Lebanon kidnapped two
> :>: : Israeli soldiers and launched rocket attacks against civilian 
> targets
> :>: : in Israel. The United States condemns in the strongest terms this
> :>: : unprovoked act of terrorism, which was timed to exacerbate already
> :>: : high tensions in the region and sow further violence. We also hold
> :>: : Syria and Iran, which have provided long-standing support for
> :>: : Hizballah, responsible for today's violence. We call for the 
> immediate
> :>: : and unconditional release of the Israeli soldiers.
> :>
> :>: : Hizballah's terrorist operations threaten Lebanon's security and are
> :>: : an affront to the sovereignty of the Lebanese Government. 
> Hizballah's
> :>: : actions are not in the interest of the Lebanese people, whose 
> welfare
> :>: : should not be held hostage to the interests of the Syrian and 
> Iranian
> :>: : regimes. We reiterate the international community's insistence that
> :>: : all parties in the region fulfill their obligations under UN 
> Security
> :>: : Council resolutions 1559 and 1680, and cease all support for
> :>: : Hizballah. "
> :>
> :>: : CNN decided to put their own spin on the press release and the 
> liberal
> :>: : morons bought it, hook, line, and sinker.
> :>
> :>: : Yea... they are that stupid.
> :>
> :>: That press release doesn't say where the soldiers were kidnapped....
> :>: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060712.html 
> (although it
> :>: does say "operating from Lebanon")
> :>
> :>: But... if you read Secretary of State Rice's briefing she does...
> :>: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060713-8.html
> :>: "... Let me just step back for a moment and remind us all how this 
> began. This
> :>:  began with the abduction of an Israeli soldier in Gaza, a similar 
> abduction
> :>:  in Lebanon. ..."
> :>
> :>: The Secretary of State doesn't say they went into Israel either... 
> soldiers
> :>: were abducted in Gaza (not part of Israel) and Lebanon (not part of 
> Israel).
> :>
> :>: It's true that the U.S. may send law enforcement personel into other 
> countries,
> :>: but that is only with approval of that nation...  Can we invade Mexico 
> to
> :>: stop illegal items or people coming across the boarder?  Not by 
> international
> :>: law!
> :>
> :>
> :>Wow... no all capitol letter reply telling me Secretary of State Rice is 
> all
> :>wrong and the attack happened in Israel?  So, we all agree with 
> Secretary of
> :>State and former National Security Advisor Rice that the soldier 
> abductions
> :>didn't happen in Israel?
>
> : If that feeds your fantasy...
>
> Your stymied by truth?
>
> :>
> :>In case your having trouble finding it... it's in the second paragraph:
> :>http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060713-8.html
> :>
> :>1st paragraph
> :>  SECRETARY RICE: All right, let me just make a brief statement, and 
> then
> :>  Steve will follow on with a brief statement. And then we'll be happy 
> to
> :>  take your questions.
> :>
> :>2nd paragraph
> :>  Obviously, there is considerable concern about the situation in the 
> Middle
> :>  East, both the situation in Gaza and the situation that has emerged in
> :>  Lebanon. Let me just step back for a moment and remind us all how this
> :>  began. This began with the abduction of an Israeli soldier in Gaza, a
> :>  similar abduction in Lebanon. It had followed weeks of rocket attacks
> :>  against Israeli population centers. This itself escalated today with 
> attacks
> :>  against Haifa, a major population center.
>
> : Throughout that entire briefing, Rice talked about the Lebanon
> : situation. It is in that reference that she referred to the abduction
> : of 2 Israeli soldiers and their abduction into Lebanon by Hesbolah
> : factions in Lebanon.
>
> : And Hadley cleared up the information later in the briefing:
> : MR. HADLEY: Let me just make two points on that. One is about
> : Hezbollah. Hezbollah took this action using Lebanese territory to
> : attack northern Israel without the authorization of the Lebanese
> : government. This is not the way democratic parties behave. It is also
> : one of the reasons 1559 talked about disarming militias, getting them
> : out of the terror business into the political process, and having only
> : one authority, which is the government authority, imposing security
> : throughout the country.
>
> They are referencing the missle attacks, not the kidnapping of the 
> soldier.
>
> : Here's part of the story from the Jerusalem Post:
> : 
> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1150885988710
> : The IDF released the names of the two soldiers on Thursday. According
> : to the IDF Spokesperson, the two reserve are Ehud Goldwasser, 31, from
> : Nahariya, and Eldad Regev, 26, from Kiryat Motzkin.
>
> : Hizbullah guerrillas, who are backed by Iran, seized the soldiers
> : Wednesday in a cross-border raid.
>
> So you don't accept CNN or Secretary of State Rice, but you assume the
> Jerusalem Post as unbiased?  DOH!
>
> : And there's always this little tidbit:
> : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldad_Regev
> : "The fighting began at around 8 AM when Hezbollah launched a barrage
> : of Katyusha rockets and mortars on Israeli towns and military
> : positions along the Lebanese border, apparently as a diversion.[1] A
> : force then attacked two armored IDF Humvees patrolling near the
> : Israeli village of Zar'it with anti-tank rockets, killing three
> : soldiers and capturing the two others, and then retreating into
> : Lebanon near the town of Ayta al-Sha`b.
>
> OOOH, quote a user edited page that can change daily... are you "Rebel 
> Mike"?
>
> The problem with wikipedia is it's edited by people... like you...
> Your saying the former National Security Advisor/Secretary of State
> is wrong on this?
>
> Course, used appropriate weasel words like "near" one could say "near 
> Zar'it"
> if it's on the border and actually be in Lebanon...
>
> Did you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ehud_Goldwasser before
> you listed that page as your source?  A person says they put the IDF's
> story of what happened according to that and the story has been edited
> more than 20 times in the last month...
>
> I trust Secretary Rice long before a user edited link, sorry.
>
> : An Israeli Merkava Mk. II tank was destroyed by a 200-300 kg
> : improvised explosive device while attempting to pursue the soldiers
> : into Lebanon, killing all four crewmembers.[2] An eighth soldier was
> : killed while attempting to retrieve their bodies."
>
> : You still want to whine about Israeli soldiers inside Lebanon?
> : Or are you just wanting to whine like all the other liberal buffoons?
>
> By international law, they don't belong there...
>
> Are we a civilized people? Do we follow rules and laws?
>
> The kid nextstore throws a snowball at your car... do you get out your gun
> and shoot the kid standing next to him?

If'n yer Mikey you do! And then you take out a thousand more kids, just to 
let 'em
know that they can't bully Mikey and his 'special' friends.
>
> -- 
> John Nelson
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