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"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:46:31 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing
> <jwn@ripco.com> wrote:
>
>>In chi.general Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:
>>: On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:24:12 +0000 (UTC), Chicago Paddling-Fishing
>>: <jwn@ripco.com> wrote:
>>
>>:>In chi.general Chicago Paddling-Fishing <jwn@ripco.com> wrote:
>>:>: In chi.general Mike Smith <mws@wt.net> wrote:
>>:>: : On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:30:41 GMT, "    krp" <web2457k@verizon.net>
>>:>: : wrote:
>>:>
>>:>: :>
>>:>: :>"Chicago Paddling-Fishing" <jwn@ripco.com> wrote in message
>>:>: :>news:ebvjr8$719$1@e250.ripco.com...
>>:>: :>>
>>:>: :>> :>> :> > : Who fired first, huh?!?  Israel isn't allowed to defend 
>>itself?
>>:>: :>> :>> :>
>>:>: :>> :>> :> > I think at this point it's impossible to tell who fired 
>>first...
>>:>: :>> it
>>:>: :>> :>> seems
>>:>: :>> :>> :> > whenever there is a considerable lull in the action 
>>though Israel
>>:>: :>> :>> takes a
>>:>: :>> :>> :> > shot at someone they say is a terrorist leader and the 
>>violence
>>:>: :>> :>> starts
>>:>: :>> :>> :> > anew.
>>:>: :>> :>> :>
>>:>: :>> :>> :>     No it isn't hard. It started with Hezbollah firing 
>>rockets into
>>:>: :>> :>> Israel,
>>:>: :>> :>> :> killing 9 border guard soldiers and kidnapping two. How far 
>>do you
>>:>: :>> :>> want to
>>:>: :>> :>> :> go back?
>>:>: :>> :>> :> 1948?
>>:>: :>> :>>
>>:>: :>> :>> : Or with Hesbollah ambushing an Israeli patrol in Aitaa al 
>>Chaab.
>>:>: :>> :>>
>>:>: :>> :>> Is "Aitaa al Chaab" in Israel?
>>:>: :>>
>>:>: :>> :> No. In Lebanon. There are reports that the Israeli soldiers 
>>originally
>>:>: :>> :> killed and kidnapped were engaged in a reconnaissance patrol 
>>over the
>>:>: :>> :> border when they were ambushed.
>>:>: :>>
>>:>: :>> :     No in ISRAEL - there are always "REPORTS" - in this case 
>>FROM
>>:>: :>> : Hezbollah - that came two days later. HOW do you explain that 
>>the bodies
>>:>: :>> of
>>:>: :>> : the 9 Israeli border guards were found a half mile INSIDE 
>>Israel? How do
>>:>: :>> you
>>:>: :>> : explain the tunnels etc? In Psychology the "story" that 
>>eventually came
>>:>: :>> from
>>:>: :>> : "Hezbollah" would be termed "justification" - but I call it just 
>>MAKING
>>:>: :>> UP
>>:>: :>> : EXCUSES! Or bullshit.
>>:>: :>> :
>>:>: :>>
>>:>: :>> Even our government says they were kidnapped in Lebanon...
>>:>: :>>
>>:>: :>> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/07/12/wednesday/index.html
>>:>: :>>
>>:>: :>> "WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House denounced Wednesday's 
>>kidnapping of
>>:>: :>> two
>>:>: :>> Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah guerrillas in southern Lebanon and
>>:>: :>> criticized
>>:>: :>> Iran and Syria for backing the Islamic militia. "
>>:>: :>
>>:>: :>    Even the US gets it wrong. The FACT remains that the APV and the 
>>9 dead
>>:>: :>soldiers were inside Israel.
>>:>: :>
>>:>: :>
>>:>: :>
>>:>: : The US didn't "get it wrong", the morons at CNN got it wrong. Here's
>>:>: : the press release:
>>:>
>>:>: : "Today Hizballah terrorists operating from Lebanon kidnapped two
>>:>: : Israeli soldiers and launched rocket attacks against civilian 
>>targets
>>:>: : in Israel. The United States condemns in the strongest terms this
>>:>: : unprovoked act of terrorism, which was timed to exacerbate already
>>:>: : high tensions in the region and sow further violence. We also hold
>>:>: : Syria and Iran, which have provided long-standing support for
>>:>: : Hizballah, responsible for today's violence. We call for the 
>>immediate
>>:>: : and unconditional release of the Israeli soldiers.
>>:>
>>:>: : Hizballah's terrorist operations threaten Lebanon's security and are
>>:>: : an affront to the sovereignty of the Lebanese Government. 
>>Hizballah's
>>:>: : actions are not in the interest of the Lebanese people, whose 
>>welfare
>>:>: : should not be held hostage to the interests of the Syrian and 
>>Iranian
>>:>: : regimes. We reiterate the international community's insistence that
>>:>: : all parties in the region fulfill their obligations under UN 
>>Security
>>:>: : Council resolutions 1559 and 1680, and cease all support for
>>:>: : Hizballah. "
>>:>
>>:>: : CNN decided to put their own spin on the press release and the 
>>liberal
>>:>: : morons bought it, hook, line, and sinker.
>>:>
>>:>: : Yea... they are that stupid.
>>:>
>>:>: That press release doesn't say where the soldiers were kidnapped....
>>:>: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060712.html 
>>(although it
>>:>: does say "operating from Lebanon")
>>:>
>>:>: But... if you read Secretary of State Rice's briefing she does...
>>:>: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060713-8.html
>>:>: "... Let me just step back for a moment and remind us all how this 
>>began. This
>>:>:  began with the abduction of an Israeli soldier in Gaza, a similar 
>>abduction
>>:>:  in Lebanon. ..."
>>:>
>>:>: The Secretary of State doesn't say they went into Israel either... 
>>soldiers
>>:>: were abducted in Gaza (not part of Israel) and Lebanon (not part of 
>>Israel).
>>:>
>>:>: It's true that the U.S. may send law enforcement personel into other 
>>countries,
>>:>: but that is only with approval of that nation...  Can we invade Mexico 
>>to
>>:>: stop illegal items or people coming across the boarder?  Not by 
>>international
>>:>: law!
>>:>
>>:>
>>:>Wow... no all capitol letter reply telling me Secretary of State Rice is 
>>all
>>:>wrong and the attack happened in Israel?  So, we all agree with 
>>Secretary of
>>:>State and former National Security Advisor Rice that the soldier 
>>abductions
>>:>didn't happen in Israel?
>>
>>: If that feeds your fantasy...
>>
>>Your stymied by truth?
>
> No.
>
>>
>>:>
>>:>In case your having trouble finding it... it's in the second paragraph:
>>:>http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060713-8.html
>>:>
>>:>1st paragraph
>>:>  SECRETARY RICE: All right, let me just make a brief statement, and 
>>then
>>:>  Steve will follow on with a brief statement. And then we'll be happy 
>>to
>>:>  take your questions.
>>:>
>>:>2nd paragraph
>>:>  Obviously, there is considerable concern about the situation in the 
>>Middle
>>:>  East, both the situation in Gaza and the situation that has emerged in
>>:>  Lebanon. Let me just step back for a moment and remind us all how this
>>:>  began. This began with the abduction of an Israeli soldier in Gaza, a
>>:>  similar abduction in Lebanon. It had followed weeks of rocket attacks
>>:>  against Israeli population centers. This itself escalated today with 
>>attacks
>>:>  against Haifa, a major population center.
>>
>>: Throughout that entire briefing, Rice talked about the Lebanon
>>: situation. It is in that reference that she referred to the abduction
>>: of 2 Israeli soldiers and their abduction into Lebanon by Hesbolah
>>: factions in Lebanon.
>>
>>: And Hadley cleared up the information later in the briefing:
>>: MR. HADLEY: Let me just make two points on that. One is about
>>: Hezbollah. Hezbollah took this action using Lebanese territory to
>>: attack northern Israel without the authorization of the Lebanese
>>: government. This is not the way democratic parties behave. It is also
>>: one of the reasons 1559 talked about disarming militias, getting them
>>: out of the terror business into the political process, and having only
>>: one authority, which is the government authority, imposing security
>>: throughout the country.
>>
>>They are referencing the missle attacks, not the kidnapping of the 
>>soldier.
>
> Soldiers... there were two of them.
>
> You realize there was an attack on Israel's military, right? That's
> how the hesboboloos got the two soldiers.
>
> And you obviously forgot the details of the battle. Here's a reminder:
>>:>: : "Today Hizballah terrorists operating from Lebanon kidnapped two
>>:>: : Israeli soldiers and launched rocket attacks against civilian 
>>targets
>>:>: : in Israel. The United States condemns in the strongest terms this
>>:>: : unprovoked act of terrorism, which was timed to exacerbate already
>>:>: : high tensions in the region and sow further violence. We also hold
>>:>: : Syria and Iran, which have provided long-standing support for
>>:>: : Hizballah, responsible for today's violence. We call for the 
>>immediate
>>:>: : and unconditional release of the Israeli soldiers.
>
>>
>>: Here's part of the story from the Jerusalem Post:
>>: 
>>http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1150885988710
>>: The IDF released the names of the two soldiers on Thursday. According
>>: to the IDF Spokesperson, the two reserve are Ehud Goldwasser, 31, from
>>: Nahariya, and Eldad Regev, 26, from Kiryat Motzkin.
>>
>>: Hizbullah guerrillas, who are backed by Iran, seized the soldiers
>>: Wednesday in a cross-border raid.
>>
>>So you don't accept CNN or Secretary of State Rice, but you assume the
>>Jerusalem Post as unbiased?  DOH!
>
> And you assume Sec Rice stated that the two soldiers were kidnapped in
> Lebanon? Post your proof.
>
>>
>>: And there's always this little tidbit:
>>: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldad_Regev
>>: "The fighting began at around 8 AM when Hezbollah launched a barrage
>>: of Katyusha rockets and mortars on Israeli towns and military
>>: positions along the Lebanese border, apparently as a diversion.[1] A
>>: force then attacked two armored IDF Humvees patrolling near the
>>: Israeli village of Zar'it with anti-tank rockets, killing three
>>: soldiers and capturing the two others, and then retreating into
>>: Lebanon near the town of Ayta al-Sha`b.
>>
>>OOOH, quote a user edited page that can change daily... are you "Rebel 
>>Mike"?
>>
>>The problem with wikipedia is it's edited by people... like you...
>>Your saying the former National Security Advisor/Secretary of State
>>is wrong on this?
>
> Oh? You can edit that page in Wikipedia?
> Do it.
> I'll check it later to see if you were successful.
>
> Mike Smith

Help! Mike lied, and now he can't back down!
>
> <snipped the rest of the ridiculous rant>