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" krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message 
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> "pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>>>> > : Who fired first, huh?!?  Israel isn't allowed to defend 
>>>>>>>>>> > itself?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > I think at this point it's impossible to tell who fired 
>>>>>>>>>> > first... it
>>>>>>>>>> > seems
>>>>>>>>>> > whenever there is a considerable lull in the action though 
>>>>>>>>>> > Israel takes
>>>>>>>>>> > a
>>>>>>>>>> > shot at someone they say is a terrorist leader and the violence 
>>>>>>>>>> > starts
>>>>>>>>>> > anew.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     No it isn't hard. It started with Hezbollah firing rockets 
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>> Israel,
>>>>>>>>>> killing 9 border guard soldiers and kidnapping two. How far do 
>>>>>>>>>> you want
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> go back?
>>>>>>>>>> 1948?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They were captured i km inside Lebanon.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The FORBES source came from LEBANON......
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    IF that were true - how come the 9 DEAD Israeli border guards 
>>>>>>>> were found
>>>>>>>>INSIDE Israel? Are you going to TRY to tell me that the "HIGHLY
>>>>>>>>COMPASSIONATE HEZBOLLAH TERRORISTS" carried the bodies the  1km to 
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>border and then a half km into Israel?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>GIVE ME A BREAK!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    The dead soldier border guards AND their APV were a half km 
>>>>>>>> INSIDE
>>>>>>>>Israel by their outpost.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shame on you....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would you expect the left wing morons to actually rely on 
>>>>>>> "facts",
>>>>>>> instead of conjecture?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You wrote "However there is verifiable proof that saddam DID have 
>>>>>> WMD's.".
>>>>>> That was a lie. Any post from you from this point on is now in doubt.
>>>>>> You have proven ( again and again ) that you have no analytical 
>>>>>> abilities, and no concept of truth, nor honor, nor decency.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's bullshit. Saddam USED chemical and biological weapons against 
>>>>> the Kurds, against the people of Basra, and against the Iranians. 
>>>>> FACTS FACT FACTS those damn FACTS!
>>>
>>>> You are closer than Mike, but not exactly correct : Saddam used chem 
>>>> weapons he received from Ronny Raygun, Dow, and Citizen Rumsfeld.
>
>>>    Wrong. The Chemical weapons came from Germany - the delivery systems 
>>> from France. Iraq got ZERO "weapons" from the US during their war with 
>>> Iran.
>>
>>>> " To prevent an Iraqi collapse, the Reagan administration supplied 
>>>> battlefield intelligence on Iranian troop buildups to the Iraqis, 
>>>> sometimes through third parties such as Saudi Arabia. The U.S. tilt 
>>>> toward Iraq was enshrined in National Security Decision Directive 114 
>>>> of Nov. 26, 1983, one of the few important Reagan era foreign policy 
>>>> decisions that still remains classified. According to former U.S. 
>>>> officials, the directive stated that the United States would do 
>>>> "whatever was necessary and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing the war 
>>>> with Iran.
>>>
>>>    Yeah they got some word on sattelite photos of Iranian troop 
>>> deployments but ZERO "weapons" of ANY kind.
>>>
>>>> Washington was strongly opposed to chemical warfare, a practice 
>>>> outlawed by the 1925 Geneva Protocol. In practice, U.S. condemnation of 
>>>> Iraqi use of chemical weapons ranked relatively low on the scale of 
>>>> administration priorities, particularly compared with the all-important 
>>>> goal of preventing an Iranian victory.
>>>
>>>> Thus, on Nov. 1, 1983, a senior State Department official, Jonathan T. 
>>>> Howe, told Secretary of State George P. Shultz that intelligence 
>>>> reports showed that Iraqi troops were resorting to "almost daily use of 
>>>> CW" against the Iranians. But the Reagan administration had already 
>>>> committed itself to a large-scale diplomatic and political overture to 
>>>> Baghdad, culminating in several visits by the president's recently 
>>>> appointed special envoy to the Middle East, Donald H. Rumsfeld. "
>>>
>>>    You omit that the Iranians were also using chemical weapons.
>>>
>>>> Fast forward five long years.
>>>
>>>> "The infamous gas attack took place in mid-March 1988 in the Kurdish 
>>>> town of Halabja, the crossroads of an ongoing battle waged between a 
>>>> joint Kurdish-Iranian force and the Iraqi army."
>>>
>>>> >He also had a nuclear weapons facility the Israelis bombed.
>>>
>>>> Correct, but your chronology is wrong, and it was not fully 
>>>> operational, thus not capable of producing weapons grade materials
>>>> in any quantities.
>>>
>>>    Nobody knows that for sure - the site is still radioactive and 
>>> probably will be for a few thousand years.
>>>
>>>> "On June 7, 1981, that 16 U.S.-made Israeli warplanes bombed and 
>>>> destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuclear research facility near Baghdad, more 
>>>> than 600 miles from Israel's borders.1 Prime Minister Menachem Begin 
>>>> claimed the reactor was about to go into operation and was a threat to 
>>>> Israel because it could produce nuclear weapons. Begin's claims were 
>>>> contradicted by a number of experts, but there was considerable 
>>>> circumstantial evidence that Iraq indeed hoped eventually to develop a 
>>>> nuclear weapon. 2 However, Israel's critics pointed out that Iraq was a 
>>>> signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which allowed 
>>>> international inspections of the nuclear facility, while Israel itself 
>>>> refused to sign the treaty, refused inspections of its nuclear 
>>>> facility, and was widely believed to have a large nuclear arsenal. 3
>>>
>>>    The "experts" who contradicted Begin were French - and the French are 
>>> the ones who set up the nuclear weapons program.
>>>
>>>> Google up Operation Sphinx for more details of ops designed to degrade 
>>>> the Iraqi nuke effort.
>>>
>>>>>They had the French and Germans helping them towards nuclear weapons 
>>>>>technology and selling them Arms against the UN embargo including 
>>>>>helicopters for deployment of chemical weapons.
>>>
>>>> The US sold dual-use tech to Saddam too.
>>>
>>>    But not deliberately for weapons as the FRENCH and GERMANS did.
>>>
>>>>> Don't forget they found over 500 rounds of chemical munitions IN Iraq.
>>>
>>>> Now your're out in the weeds. From the Darfur report:
>>>> "d.. Iraq had no deployable WMD of any kind as of March 2003 and had no
>>>> production since 1991.
>>>>  e.. The ISG judged that in March 2003, Iraq would have had the ability 
>>>> to
>>>> produce large quantities of Sulfur Mustard in 3-6 months, and large
>>>> quantities of nerve agent in 2 years.
>>>>  f.. There was no proof of any biological weapons stocks since 1991.
>>>>  g.. Iraq's nuclear program was terminated in 1991, at which point
>>>> micrograms of enriched uranium had been produced from a single test gas
>>>> centrifuge."
>>>>
>>>> They were left-overs from before the Bush-the-lesser-stupid's first 
>>>> Gulf War fiasco.
>>>>
>>>> If you are implying that there were ANY active Chem/Bio capabilities 
>>>> following Desert Storm, you are wrong.
>>>> Now get back to fellating Mikey: he's going soft on us......
>>>
>>>    No I am not wrong. Regardless of the date of manufacture the 500+ 
>>> shells found are QUITE LETHAL!
>
>> Sorry: binary chemical weapons have a short shelf-life.
>
>    For full effect yes - but of those 500 shells they are still lethal as 
> is.
>
>> We are NOT seeing reports of US troops falling dead from exposure to 
>> chemweapons used as IEDs.
>> Thus, there are no QUITE LETHAL chemical weapons left to weaponise and 
>> use.
>
> They would be lethal if fired. They are inert until then.

I wonder how insurgents would get their hams on a GHN-45 (155mm howitzer), 
and why no-one would notice them dragging it through the streets (most of 
Iraqs gun tractors had been withdrawn in an attempt to re-supply the front 
line troops during the Iraq/Iran war, and then they were unable to withdraw 
under fire. Immobile and unsupported the majority of the guns were destroyed 
at their positions either by air strikes or  counter-battery fire.).

And then there's the little issue of a propellant change ( bag type or 
 MACS ).
You don't find this stuff lyin' around, unless you fail to secure the ammo 
dumps and rush to protect the Oil Ministry.

You're now WAY out in left field ( bleachers, nosebleed section ) in your 
attempt to bolster a specious argument.
Why don't you stick to cheerleading the cheerleader ( Mike ) who is busy 
cheering for the Cheerleader-in-Chief.

The CIC is also too busy today dealing with the blowback from violating the 
Constitution numerous times, so
don't expect him to come riding his bike up the hill to your rescue.

 " AIRBORNE ASSAULT!!!! "

Hoist that Cheerleader up onto your shoulders, and rush him onto the playing 
field. We need him NOW, more than ever....