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"pitchforks and torches" <ShrubImprisoned@theHague.com> wrote in message 
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>>>>>>> > : Who fired first, huh?!?  Israel isn't allowed to defend itself?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > I think at this point it's impossible to tell who fired first... 
>>>>>>> > it
>>>>>>> > seems
>>>>>>> > whenever there is a considerable lull in the action though Israel 
>>>>>>> > takes
>>>>>>> > a
>>>>>>> > shot at someone they say is a terrorist leader and the violence 
>>>>>>> > starts
>>>>>>> > anew.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     No it isn't hard. It started with Hezbollah firing rockets into
>>>>>>> Israel,
>>>>>>> killing 9 border guard soldiers and kidnapping two. How far do you 
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> go back?
>>>>>>> 1948?
>>>>>
>>>>>> They were captured i km inside Lebanon.
>>>>>> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html
>>>>>
>>>>>The FORBES source came from LEBANON......
>>>>>
>>>>>    IF that were true - how come the 9 DEAD Israeli border guards were 
>>>>> found
>>>>>INSIDE Israel? Are you going to TRY to tell me that the "HIGHLY
>>>>>COMPASSIONATE HEZBOLLAH TERRORISTS" carried the bodies the  1km to the
>>>>>border and then a half km into Israel?
>>>>>
>>>>>GIVE ME A BREAK!
>>>>>
>>>>>    The dead soldier border guards AND their APV were a half km INSIDE
>>>>>Israel by their outpost.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Shame on you....
>>>>
>>>> Why would you expect the left wing morons to actually rely on "facts",
>>>> instead of conjecture?
>>>
>>> You wrote "However there is verifiable proof that saddam DID have 
>>> WMD's.".
>>> That was a lie. Any post from you from this point on is now in doubt.
>>> You have proven ( again and again ) that you have no analytical 
>>> abilities, and no concept of truth, nor honor, nor decency.
>>
>> That's bullshit. Saddam USED chemical and biological weapons against the 
>> Kurds, against the people of Basra, and against the Iranians. FACTS FACT 
>> FACTS those damn FACTS!

> You are closer than Mike, but not exactly correct : Saddam used chem 
> weapons he received from Ronny Raygun, Dow, and Citizen Rumsfeld.

    Wrong. The Chemical weapons came from Germany - the delivery systems 
from France. Iraq got ZERO "weapons" from the US during their war with Iran.

> " To prevent an Iraqi collapse, the Reagan administration supplied 
> battlefield intelligence on Iranian troop buildups to the Iraqis, 
> sometimes through third parties such as Saudi Arabia. The U.S. tilt toward 
> Iraq was enshrined in National Security Decision Directive 114 of Nov. 26, 
> 1983, one of the few important Reagan era foreign policy decisions that 
> still remains classified. According to former U.S. officials, the 
> directive stated that the United States would do "whatever was necessary 
> and legal" to prevent Iraq from losing the war with Iran.

    Yeah they got some word on sattelite photos of Iranian troop deployments 
but ZERO "weapons" of ANY kind.

> Washington was strongly opposed to chemical warfare, a practice outlawed 
> by the 1925 Geneva Protocol. In practice, U.S. condemnation of Iraqi use 
> of chemical weapons ranked relatively low on the scale of administration 
> priorities, particularly compared with the all-important goal of 
> preventing an Iranian victory.

> Thus, on Nov. 1, 1983, a senior State Department official, Jonathan T. 
> Howe, told Secretary of State George P. Shultz that intelligence reports 
> showed that Iraqi troops were resorting to "almost daily use of CW" 
> against the Iranians. But the Reagan administration had already committed 
> itself to a large-scale diplomatic and political overture to Baghdad, 
> culminating in several visits by the president's recently appointed 
> special envoy to the Middle East, Donald H. Rumsfeld. "

    You omit that the Iranians were also using chemical weapons.

> Fast forward five long years.

> "The infamous gas attack took place in mid-March 1988 in the Kurdish town 
> of Halabja, the crossroads of an ongoing battle waged between a joint 
> Kurdish-Iranian force and the Iraqi army."

> >He also had a nuclear weapons facility the Israelis bombed.

> Correct, but your chronology is wrong, and it was not fully operational, 
> thus not capable of producing weapons grade materials
> in any quantities.

    Nobody knows that for sure - the site is still radioactive and probably 
will be for a few thousand years.

> "On June 7, 1981, that 16 U.S.-made Israeli warplanes bombed and destroyed 
> Iraq's Osirak nuclear research facility near Baghdad, more than 600 miles 
> from Israel's borders.1 Prime Minister Menachem Begin claimed the reactor 
> was about to go into operation and was a threat to Israel because it could 
> produce nuclear weapons. Begin's claims were contradicted by a number of 
> experts, but there was considerable circumstantial evidence that Iraq 
> indeed hoped eventually to develop a nuclear weapon. 2 However, Israel's 
> critics pointed out that Iraq was a signatory to the nuclear 
> Non-Proliferation Treaty, which allowed international inspections of the 
> nuclear facility, while Israel itself refused to sign the treaty, refused 
> inspections of its nuclear facility, and was widely believed to have a 
> large nuclear arsenal. 3

    The "experts" who contradicted Begin were French - and the French are 
the ones who set up the nuclear weapons program.

> Google up Operation Sphinx for more details of ops designed to degrade the 
> Iraqi nuke effort.

>>They had the French and Germans helping them towards nuclear weapons 
>>technology and selling them Arms against the UN embargo including 
>>helicopters for deployment of chemical weapons.

> The US sold dual-use tech to Saddam too.

    But not deliberately for weapons as the FRENCH and GERMANS did.

>> Don't forget they found over 500 rounds of chemical munitions IN Iraq.

> Now your're out in the weeds. From the Darfur report:
> "d.. Iraq had no deployable WMD of any kind as of March 2003 and had no
> production since 1991.
>  e.. The ISG judged that in March 2003, Iraq would have had the ability to
> produce large quantities of Sulfur Mustard in 3-6 months, and large
> quantities of nerve agent in 2 years.
>  f.. There was no proof of any biological weapons stocks since 1991.
>  g.. Iraq's nuclear program was terminated in 1991, at which point
> micrograms of enriched uranium had been produced from a single test gas
> centrifuge."
>
> They were left-overs from before the Bush-the-lesser-stupid's first Gulf 
> War fiasco.
>
> If you are implying that there were ANY active Chem/Bio capabilities 
> following Desert Storm, you are wrong.
> Now get back to fellating Mikey: he's going soft on us......

    No I am not wrong. Regardless of the date of manufacture the 500+ shells 
found are QUITE LETHAL!