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<pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:03:37 -0400, "Edward M. Kennedy"
> <NoSpam@Ham.com> wrote:
>
> >
> ><pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
> >news:git8nv0jbpdpe6rqhkddosubguh23vnj91@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 13:17:54 -0400, "Edward M. Kennedy"
> >> <NoSpam@Ham.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> ><pjm@see_my_sig_for_address.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:02n8nv806147saaks9rvdjqsmbbrg067p8@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:17:43 -0400, "Edward M. Kennedy"
> >> >> <NoSpam@Ham.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >"Susan Hogarth" <sjh@tribeagles.org> wrote
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> You've put your finger on the problem. Why should the taxpayers
pay
> >for
> >> >> >*your*
> >> >> >> no trespassing sign? That's between you and the phone company you
do
> >> >> >business
> >> >> >> with.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, it's not.  No more than the no trepassing sign in my yard,
> >> >> which carries weight and effect only because it's backed up by
> >> >> criminal penalties enforced by the government.
> >> >
> >> >That's an irrelevant bonus of a legal system.  Your unlisted phone
> >> >number contract would also be enforcable by the government.
> >>
> >> Not under any existing law.
> >
> >Have you even *heard* of  Common Law and/or have any
> >clue that  torts and contracts are still covered by it in the
> >absence of legislation?
>
> Do you have any fucking clue at all that if someone calls my
> unlisted number, there is no grounds for either civil nor criminal
> action at this time  ?  IT IS NOT ACTIONABLE !!!!!  DO YOU KNOW WHAT
> THAT MEANS ?????  IT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN CALLING A LISTED NUMBER !!!!

It is your contract with the phone company that is enforcable.
True, if you are unfortunate or dumb enough to give your
unlisted number out, that would not be actionable.

> >> Which is why we need a new law.
> >> One that does not deprive me of the right to have a listed phone
> >
> >You have a right to not be called at home by people you
> >don't know???
>
> You're god damned right I do.  I have a right to not have them
> knock on my door ( because I own that door )

No, you only have that right if you put up a no tresspassing
sign or tell them in person.  They are allowed to *visit* on
your terms (and in most cases, no terms are stated as someone
approaches the door).

> and to not call me on the
> phone ( because I own that phone ).

No, you need some way of doing the either the same thing
as with your door, or simply don't answer the phone/door.

> > You are arguing you are entitled to something,
> >which is the perverse leftist sense of right.  I'm using the old
> >sense of the word, the right to act (which includes the right to own).
>
> No, youre just pulling shit out of your ass ( instead of
> pushing it out in an approved and appropriate receptacle, like the
> rest of us do ).
>
> I OWN MY DOOR !
>
> I OWN MY PHONE !
>
> I GET TO SAY WHO DOES WHAT WITH THEM !
>
> WHO DON"T LIKE IT CAN BITE ME !

Repetitious screaming doesn't prove anything, at least
not about anything in the discussion.

> There, simple enough for you ?
>
> >> number, just as the law that enforces the No Trespassing sign does not
> >> deprive me of the right to have an address.
> >
> >The trespassing sign costs money.  So does an unlisted number
> >and other services.  Plus you keep confusing ownership of
> >property with subscribing to SOMEONE ELSE'S SERVICE.
>
> More of your fucking horsehit.   HAVING A DAMNED PHONE COSTS
> ME MONEY !!!  IF I DON'T PAY,  I DON'T HAVE ONE !!!!!  THEY TURN IT
> OFF AND IT DON'T WORK NO MO !!!!!  WHICH PART OF THAT DO YOU FIND
> DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH ?????

You keep the phone, not the service.  Can't you see the
difference???

> I OWN WHATEVER SERVICE I PAY FOR !!!  MY WATER BELONGS TO ME
> !!!  MY DRIVEWAY  !!!  MY PHONE CONECTION !!  MY INTERNET CONNECTION
> !!!  SERVICE OR PRODUCT, VIRTUAL OR 'REAL', IS IRRELEVANT  !!!!  I OWN
> WHAT I PAY FOR !!!!

In whatever sense you "own" your ISP service, they can terminate
it at will if you violate the contract. That's not like owning a phone
or a computer that connect to a service.

Why do you think they call it a service provider?

> >  One way to do
> >this is to convince phone comapanies that all contracts should
> >have no telemarketing clause, under penalty of  X.  Then the
> >phone company could make money suing telemarketers.
> >
> >> You are saying that all I have to do to get rid of salesmen
> >> knocking on the door is not have an address, or a driveway.  That's
> >> incredibly stupid.
> >
> >Which is why I didn't say it.
>
> You exactly have said it, over and over again.
>
> CHew on this one - it's not about phone **SERVICE**, if you
> prefer, look at it as use of MY PHONE !!!!

By signing up for the service, you agree to let the others using
the service contact you.

--Ted