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Article #226Re: Commuting by train builds new friends and social contacts
From: ill
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:10
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:10
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Sancho Panza wrote: > "ill" <illadel@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:ckm843$29hr$1@netnews.upenn.edu... > >>All those other roads in the "metro" PA/NJ area feed into either I-95 or >>I-76 and all major traffic problems are out in the suburbs where they >>chose to follow the highway/sprawl model of development. > > > Of course, those suburbs did not incur a 30 percent evacuation in > population. It was more like a 60 percent increase. And look the 60 miles of > the CSMA to the east. Aside from some arcane point about "feeding" and > changing the distinction from freeways to Interstates, you will find 295, > 55, 195, Del 13, 495, even the new US 1 and a host of such smaller > thoroughfares throughout the 14-county region. > > > > Transit service within Philadelphia has been reduced by much more than 30 percent so the "evacuation" model is a little off but valid. And the roads that you are mentioning are all in new growth areas. NJ 55 has become a traffic issue because of the large amount of people who want to work in Center City Philly but want to live in South Jersey . So you have all of theses new developments that *must* use a car to get to NJ 42 and over the Walt Whitman Bridge. No Transit = Traffic All of those areas (the other highways you are talking about) lack any form of rail transit...(295,55,195...) and continue on the point of "planned on the car model" not in using pre-existing transit as areas for growth. If you were to look at a road map of Philly, you can see that most of the northern & "main line" (Jenkintown/Ardmore...) suburbs lack a direct highway route into Philly and generally get by because most of the residents use Septa's Regional Rail as a means for daily commute. If all of those people chose to drive....the four lanes of I-76 would not be able to handle it (not that it does a great job now)
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