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Article #98Re: California High Speed Rail.
From: Adam H. Kerman
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:31
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:31
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Merritt Mullen <mmullen8014@mchsi.com> wrote: >Steve Fenwick <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>There's no way that they will be allowed to seize without payment new >>ROW from San Francisco to San Jose. The land is just too valuable; there >>would be a huge hue and cry >Eminent domain does not mean "seize without payment." In fact, that >would be illegal. The land will be paid for. The term for seizing without payment is "quick take", a form of exercising eminent domain in which title transfers immediately while the original owner awaits compensation. I agree that Steve is being a bit vitriolic but the law of takings has never guaranteed the current owner a period of negotiation with the sovereign. >How come there never seems to be these problems when we are talking >about a new freeway or toll road, which is also grade separated, and >much wider than a HSR right or way? Newly acquired rights of way attempt to avoid as much developed land as possible, not the same thing as making due with an inadequate r-o-w, often one in which portions of it were sold off.
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