🚀 go-pugleaf

wvernon wrote:

> Ronald E. Kushner wrote:
> >
> > Josh Turner wrote:
> >
> > > flintoid wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Look, if we justify exorbitant exec salaries, why not, just this once,
> > > > justify exorbitant workforce salaries?
> > >
> > > We've been justifying exorbitant workforce salaries for many, many years
> > > now. Not that there's anything wrong with that--labor has a value, and I
> > > certainly wouldn't work on the line for less than $25 an hour or so. But
> > > don't pretend that the workforce is somehow underpaid.
> >
> > Oh god,  you know, I read people bitch about what people make in the fucking
> > rat life, but damn, you couldn't pay me that and expect me to come to work
> > each and every day. Not to bitch at you Josh, I think you understand the
> > situation, but Flintoid doesn't. I go into a factory, with a bunch of people
> > who probably are stuck in their dead-end job, working so hard that they
> > can't wipe the sweat from their eyes, that have to come to work because they
> > have a house payment, a car payment, 3 kids and $50,000 in credit card debt,
> > and I don't want to fall into that trap.
> >
> > Some of these people have such miserable jobs, I can't imagine doing them. I
> > make what they make, but I don't work anywhere near as hard as these guys
> > do. I work hard, very damn hard, but I do not put up with the miserable jobs
> > the factory rats have. I have lunch when I want., I go home when I want, and
> > have a company vehicle. I refused a job with GM a few years ago, in what is
> > now Delphi Saginaw Gear. After seeing how these people work, I just couldn't
> > get caught in the trap - NO WAY! These jobs will leave the country, because
> > people down the food chain will refuse to do these jobs - in Metro Detroit
> > you can be a dumbshit working at Tim Horton's for $9 an hour, and probably
> > be happy. I don't regret not working for GM, actually I think one day I'll
> > stand proud, with my own business, and show people what can be done when you
> > put your mind to something other than a car payment, a house payment, 3 kids
> > and $50,000 in credit card debt..
> >
> > -Ron
> >
> Ron is right.  I don't know how many of you anti union folks have
> actually seen the jobs some of the line workers do.  I'm a big 3
> engineering designer and occassionally visit the factorys for various
> reasons.  I worked my way through college as a short order cook, a job I
> always hated.  But I know one day it would end.  Anyway, you would be
> shocked if you saw how much some of those guys bust their ass on the
> line.  Makes my food service jobs look easy.  They earn every penny
> I.M.O.  And if you think they are worth 1/100th of some useless
> executive old boy cocksucker you're smoking too much crack.  If those
> executives were worth so much, they would leave the mother's nipple and
> start their own companys.  Something you rarely see, and when you do
> they almost always fail at.

Because starting a smaller company requires skills closer to the final product and
those old boy cocksuckers have no such skills.

World market management pretty much decrees a maximum ratio of 7 : 1.  The CEO
should make no more than 7 times that of the lowliest employee.  GM is in direct
competition where that is policy in practice.  They will compete or fade away.
Dinah Shore is gone....