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2 total messages Started by Jim Miller Jr. Tue, 12 Dec 1995 00:00
Re: National Sales Tax - An Alternative?
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Author: Jim Miller Jr.
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 00:00
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>:Travis Corcoran (tjic@alta.openmarket.com) wrote:
>: Come to think of it, what would be fair would be a true FLAT tax (not
>: a flat percentage, but a flat fee): Bill Gates pays $4k a year to the
>: government, I pay $4k a year to the government, and you pay $4k a year
>: to the government (or somthing alone those lines).  Now *THAT* sounds
>: fair.  We all get the same number of votes, we all have the same
>: freedoms protected by the Bill of Rights, we all get judged by the
>: same judicial system....we should all pay the same taxes.

Bravo! It's good to see someone posting who actually understands the
meaning of the word "fair."

Edward N. Kurmudgeon<edwardk@aimnet.com> wrote:
>
>Well, I am not sure, Travis.  If the Russian came, Bill Gates would lose
>2 billion dollars of income a year, and I some what less (about 2 billion
>dollars less).  So, don't you think he should pay more since he has a
>larger stake in this Russian thing?

Geez, you bigot! This is nothing but rich bashing by a jealous person. The
government does not exist to protect property, it exists to protect freedom.
While one of the freedoms we enjoy as Americans is to collect and build
wealth, it is not primary. Bill Gates would suffer exactly the same loss of
freedom as any homeless family were the US Government to fall to an
agressive foreign agent.

Now if you want to talk about local property taxes - which only exist to make
one's property more valuable through police protection, good schools, etc. - 
then, yes, those with more should pay more because it directly effects the
value of the services received. This still has no basis on the amount of
money one has, merely the amount they wish to spend on real property.



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Re: National Sales Tax - An Alternative?
#471
Author: Edward N. Kurmudgeon
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 00:00
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Jim Miller Jr. (jmillerjr@lsfcu.org) wrote:

: Geez, you bigot! This is nothing but rich bashing by a jealous person. The
: government does not exist to protect property, it exists to protect freedom.
: While one of the freedoms we enjoy as Americans is to collect and build
: wealth, it is not primary. Bill Gates would suffer exactly the same loss of
: freedom as any homeless family were the US Government to fall to an
: agressive foreign agent.

But not the same loss of property you will agree, won't you?  So, let just
say we charge the amount that the poorest person in this country can afford
to protect his freedom, and charge everybody else the same amount to 
protect their freedom, as they would each suffer the same loss.  That's fair,
won't you say?  Ok, incidentally, we also protect everyone's property.
Shouldn't we charge something for doing that?  And, property is accumulated 
over time, so shouldn't we charge some additional amount each year to 
protect the increase in his property that has become an additional burden 
on our defense establishment for protection?  Isn't that fair?  That's 
progressive income tax.
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