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~BD~ wrote:
> FromTheRafters wrote:
>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>>>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>>>>>> FromTheRafters *appears* to be saying this statement is wrong:-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or if you want to host the group yourself then go out and
>>>>>>>> purchase a
>>>>>>>> Server with a server OS and get a dedicated T3 line and off you go.
>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>> will have complete control of the group and you will also be
>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>> delete posters that post to your group without any effort and at
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> will and whim. (statement made by P. Foldes)
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>>> So how *does* the first post of a new group get 'out there' and
>>>>>>> propagated around Usenet?
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hosting a group is different from creating a group.
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand that!
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/alt-creation-guide/
>>>>>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you. Very informative information.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe there is truth in what Foldes has said (although I'm quite
>>>>> certain that a T3 connection is unnecessary!)
>>>>
>>>> I agree.
>>>
>>> <shock>! ;-)
>>>
>>>>> I _suspect_ that *if* the person hosting a specific newsgroup
>>>>> ('test.here', for instance) wishes, they could, indeed, have access to
>>>>> the IP address of anyone/everyone connecting to that newsgroup and, as
>>>>> PF says, delete individual posts from the group.
>>>>
>>>> No, the group exists 'in the cloud' when the hosting server is peered.
>>>> Each other server can choose to carry or not carry any particular
>>>> group.
>>>> It can also choose to which posts to carry within a group - they can
>>>> censor because of foul language for instance.
>>>>
>>>> Did you even look at this the last time I posted it? It give a pretty
>>>> good basic overview of the system.
>>>>
>>>> http://people.dsv.su.se/~jpalme/e-mail-book/usenet-news.html
>>>
>>> Of course I studied it. You've been my mentor for years! (Thanks, btw!)
>>>
>>> It says " The procedure for distribution of news can be compared to
>>> pouring water onto a flat surface; the water flows out in all directions
>>> (see the figure below)."
>>>
>>> So *who* pours the water - and how?
>>>
>>> Surely that's not too difficult a question to answer.
>>>
>>> Have you not noticed how few *real* test posts are made here?
>>>
>> The server that you share a client-to-server relationship with will
>> inject your message. The peering of server-to-server that follows does
>> the spilling. Somewhere, someone else with a different server-to-client
>> relationship will read the article - your client and the server that you
>> connected with are no longer in the picture.
>
> You are very patient, for which I thank you. :-)
>
>> Of course, the server that you use *can* put identification in the
>> header, but otherwise the receiving client has no idea of the IP# you
>> originated the post with.
>
> Unless one uses Google Groups ...... or the now defunct Microsoft
> Communities groups!
>
Yes, but then Google isn't NNTP it's a web interface as far as the 
client is concerned.