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Verne wrote:

> "
> > > Ok to both of you, your [sic] making the point that this terrorist act
> is
> > a plot
> > > to take away individual freedom from the western nations of the UK and
> the
> > > USA. Making the point that some freedom may suffer a temporary setback
> > due
> > > to this act of war is not making that point. You need to show a
> connection
> > > between our governments and the bombing. Your idle speculation is
> mindless
> > > and useless
> >
> > I made NO such point.  I'm using my eyes and brain to SEE exactly what
> human
> > nature and -power- does to someone in power.
> >
> > I need make no such connection, either as it isn't relevant to my comment.
> > Nor was this relevant to your "another conspiracy nut" comment.
> >
> > >  Make that point or admit your [sic] just spouting b.s.
> >
> > You just can't stand that someone saw through your BS.
>
> You can not and will never show a conspiracy. In other words you have no
> point to make so you went off in another direction.
>
> So is your claim now that this terrorist activity may have coincidentally
> caused a loss of personally freedom?
>
> And that some in power may like this?  Who are these people and why would
> they do this?
>
> Do they have a dark purpose?
>
>  Are they involved with the terrorists in some way?
>
> Nobody on this thread seems able to stick to a point. Try making one and
> back it up, if not with facts at lest with reason
>
> Verne
> >
>

I'm not pointing to a "conspiracy", just the unintended consequences of a flawed
foreign policy, and, of course, the dangers of the concentration of power.
  It's fairly common knowledge that Bin Laden, among many others, was funded and
trained way back when to fight the Soviet Union when they invaded Afghanistan.
We also provided them with weapons.  The U.S. *encouraged* the radicalism of the
extreme Islamic groups, because it supported the U.S. agenda *at the time*.
It's been a common tactic of our government to provide support to people opposed
to regimes in governments that we oppose.  The main flaw is and has always been
that we fail to consider the rebels' own agenda, not to mention the destruction
in these countries that we're helping to take place.  Afghanistan has been a
devastated, war-torn country for a long time.
  Even as recently as 1998, the U.S. gave the Taliban a lot of money to stamp
out drugs.  Apparently, Afghanistan is a large source of heroin that gets to
America.  But do you think the Taliban actually used the money the way the U.S.
really wanted them to use it?
  This is no evil conspiracy, just rampant stupidity and a flawed foreign
policy.
  But our politicians are all too ready to take advantage of this so-called war
to increase defense spending and engage in indefensible legislation to "protect"
us.  In other words, to give us more of the same stuff that's caused these
problems.  Oh boy, what a solution!
  The patriotism that we see, while well-intentioned, plays into the
politicians' hands quite well.  Any restriction on freedom can not only be
justified but supported by the majority of the public.  We must stand together
for the "war" effort, and not question
any of their actions on behalf of the effort?  Nonsense!  Now is the time when
criticism is most needed, because now is the time when they're likely to do the
dumbest things.

Want a link?  Here's an article that goes into more detail than I can:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/saturday_review/story/0,3605,559756,00.html

There's nothing "hidden" here;  it's just too often ignored by the American
citizens and media.

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