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You are so simple minded it kills me. First, if you can provide a
number of links, it must be true. Second, it has "truth" in the URL
cited. Therefore, it's got to be true. Third, there's no such thing as
multiple perspectives on any given situation. Einstein must have been
wrong in his 1905 paper....frame of reference has no meaning. Oh
wait...he's jewish. Einstein must have been a zionist, then. Fourth,
anyone giving "facts" can't be giving half truths. Fifth, there is no
such thing as something being taken out of context. Sixth, there are
multiple things left out. Therfore, since this is the "truth", they
must not have occured (logically implied). Seventh, according to the
site cited there have been no arab nations acting as, or taking action
against  Israel. Wasn't there a little war in 1973? Oh I guess the
jews must have been the agressors, attacking on their holiest fast day
of the year. How come that site doesn't even mention that war? Could
it be that even though Israel went across the suez, deep into egypt,
across the Jordan river, deep into Jordan, they gave all that land
back, and were not being expansionist, like the site you point to
claims. What about the fact they gave back the Sinai? How come no
mention of that. Hell they captured that in a previous war, but the
zionists grab all the land they can. They tried to give Gaza back, but
Egypt wouldn't take back the very same ghetto they created. Eighth,
Israel's intent on commiting genocide. If this were true, Then all of
the Palestinians would be dead, by now, because the jews now
outnumber, and out arm them. Jews have the capability to wipe them out
in Israel. If that was truly their intent, surely, all of the
Palestinians in Israel would have been killed by now. 

Carol, you represent yourself as being so smart. Only few times have I
agreed with what you post. Everytime you post on this issue, though,
you don't know what the hell you are talking about. You point to any
idiots who might have a website. ANY idiot can publish ANYTHING on the
internet. Hell, anyone can publish anything they want. The flat earth
society has many followers. They've published many things. I guess the
earth is really flat. Hitler published, that stuff must have been
true, too. Others have verified his in their own publishing, too. Must
be true.

As I've posted in the past, both sides have valid points, and there is
no side that can be solely blamed. However, the situation has been
complicated by many arab leaders. In the US, we absorb people. If
there is a serious problem with fugitives, or a people that need
asylum, we generally provide it. We have absorbed Cubans, Mexicans,
Haitians, Hmong, and many other groups. We have the resources, land,
and willingness to help our fellow man. We have taken care of many
different peoples.

 Arab nations claim the Palestinians as there own brethren, yet none
will absorb any number of Palestinians. Do they have the resources?
Yes.Do they have the land? Yes. Jordan has a large indigenous
population of them. Of course, Palestine is historically Jordan. Most
Palestinian Jordanians have been such since 1967 (when the west bank
was no longer Jordan), when the term "Palestinian" was first being
widely used. Beforehand, almost no one ever used it. They are the only
Palestinians allowed to reside in Jordan. No other arab nation has
absorbed more than a handfull of them. Furthermore, check out the
history of how Gaza became the ghetto it is.

Why? Could it be that the palestinian people are the political pawns
of the arab world. Just as Islamic fundamentalism is used as a means
of controlling the people, so are the Palestinians. They use the
common hate against the islamic oppressors, namely Israel, and the US.
Does the sound like a familiar strategy? The inquisition, the
crusades, the holocaust, just to name a few.

 In the arab world, many countries that are run by religious
fundamentalists. These leaders keep the masses ignorant, illiterate,
and wrapped up in religious fear. They stifle any exploration outside
of the parochial views they allow. Anyone outside of their thought are
infidels and must be killed. This has also historically been used to
control the people. A good example of this would be the dark ages.
While the jews, moslems, hindus, buddhist, and other non christians
pursued knowledge, the christian world was kept in the dark. Any
contrary though meant excommunication, or death. Think about Galileo's
fate. Unfortunately, these moslems learned that the dark ages were
indeed good for something. 

Why do they hate us?

Hmm....we have democracy. Not a completely pure one, but we have a
system that is fairly democratic. We educate our population. We like
to export democracy, somewhat. We also like to educate other parts of
the world. What does this mean to arab leaders?  Loss of control, or
maintaining their control over the citizens. We have screwed up their
governments in the past. They propagandize that fact to their ignorant
masses. The propaganda that we are infidels living outside of the
muslim world and should die. The propaganda that we, and israel are,
solely, responsible for killing their palestinian brethren. The claims
that Israeli's are performing mass islamic genocide. Feeding on that
hate, they can further unite their people behind them, and maintain
their regimes.

Oh yeah...point to a URL....good answer. Especially such a good one,
with such completely valid and complete information.

If you're really as smug as you seem, address all ot these issues.
Don't just dis someone, because of their email address (like you did
in the past). Furthermore, moderated newsgroups, loosely or not,
aren't guaranteed the protection of free speech. You've claimed
ignorance in the past, even though it's been you've been told multiple
times. Must be for convenience sake. I guess being at UWM doesn't
guaranty that you've been educated all that well, nor that you are
actually as smart as you think.

On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:56:34 -0500, Carol Lee Smith
<human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:

>The Origins Of The Palestine-Israel Conflict
>
>You can find it at http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html
>