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huge@wi.rr.com wrote in message news:<3bd27281.58134544@news-server.wi.rr.com>...
> You are so simple minded it kills me. First, if you can provide a
> number of links, it must be true. Second, it has "truth" in the URL
> cited. Therefore, it's got to be true. Third, there's no such thing as
> multiple perspectives on any given situation. Einstein must have been
> wrong in his 1905 paper....frame of reference has no meaning. Oh
> wait...he's jewish. Einstein must have been a zionist, then. Fourth,
> anyone giving "facts" can't be giving half truths. Fifth, there is no
> such thing as something being taken out of context. Sixth, there are
> multiple things left out. Therfore, since this is the "truth", they
> must not have occured (logically implied). Seventh, according to the
> site cited there have been no arab nations acting as, or taking action
> against  Israel. Wasn't there a little war in 1973? Oh I guess the
> jews must have been the agressors, attacking on their holiest fast day
> of the year. How come that site doesn't even mention that war? Could
> it be that even though Israel went across the suez, deep into egypt,
> across the Jordan river, deep into Jordan, they gave all that land
> back, and were not being expansionist, like the site you point to
> claims. What about the fact they gave back the Sinai? How come no
> mention of that. Hell they captured that in a previous war, but the
> zionists grab all the land they can. They tried to give Gaza back, but
> Egypt wouldn't take back the very same ghetto they created. Eighth,
> Israel's intent on commiting genocide. If this were true, Then all of
> the Palestinians would be dead, by now, because the jews now
> outnumber, and out arm them. Jews have the capability to wipe them out
> in Israel. If that was truly their intent, surely, all of the
> Palestinians in Israel would have been killed by now. 
> 
> Carol, you represent yourself as being so smart. Only few times have I
> agreed with what you post. Everytime you post on this issue, though,
> you don't know what the hell you are talking about. You point to any
> idiots who might have a website. ANY idiot can publish ANYTHING on the
> internet. Hell, anyone can publish anything they want. The flat earth
> society has many followers. They've published many things. I guess the
> earth is really flat. Hitler published, that stuff must have been
> true, too. Others have verified his in their own publishing, too. Must
> be true.
> 
> As I've posted in the past, both sides have valid points, and there is
> no side that can be solely blamed. However, the situation has been
> complicated by many arab leaders. In the US, we absorb people. If
> there is a serious problem with fugitives, or a people that need
> asylum, we generally provide it. We have absorbed Cubans, Mexicans,
> Haitians, Hmong, and many other groups. We have the resources, land,
> and willingness to help our fellow man. We have taken care of many
> different peoples.
> 
>  Arab nations claim the Palestinians as there own brethren, yet none
> will absorb any number of Palestinians. Do they have the resources?
> Yes.Do they have the land? Yes. Jordan has a large indigenous
> population of them. Of course, Palestine is historically Jordan. Most
> Palestinian Jordanians have been such since 1967 (when the west bank
> was no longer Jordan), when the term "Palestinian" was first being
> widely used. Beforehand, almost no one ever used it. They are the only
> Palestinians allowed to reside in Jordan. No other arab nation has
> absorbed more than a handfull of them. Furthermore, check out the
> history of how Gaza became the ghetto it is.
> 
> Why? Could it be that the palestinian people are the political pawns
> of the arab world. Just as Islamic fundamentalism is used as a means
> of controlling the people, so are the Palestinians. They use the
> common hate against the islamic oppressors, namely Israel, and the US.
> Does the sound like a familiar strategy? The inquisition, the
> crusades, the holocaust, just to name a few.
> 
>  In the arab world, many countries that are run by religious
> fundamentalists. These leaders keep the masses ignorant, illiterate,
> and wrapped up in religious fear. They stifle any exploration outside
> of the parochial views they allow. Anyone outside of their thought are
> infidels and must be killed. This has also historically been used to
> control the people. A good example of this would be the dark ages.
> While the jews, moslems, hindus, buddhist, and other non christians
> pursued knowledge, the christian world was kept in the dark. Any
> contrary though meant excommunication, or death. Think about Galileo's
> fate. Unfortunately, these moslems learned that the dark ages were
> indeed good for something. 
> 
> Why do they hate us?
> 
> Hmm....we have democracy. Not a completely pure one, but we have a
> system that is fairly democratic. We educate our population. We like
> to export democracy, somewhat. We also like to educate other parts of
> the world. What does this mean to arab leaders?  Loss of control, or
> maintaining their control over the citizens. We have screwed up their
> governments in the past. They propagandize that fact to their ignorant
> masses. The propaganda that we are infidels living outside of the
> muslim world and should die. The propaganda that we, and israel are,
> solely, responsible for killing their palestinian brethren. The claims
> that Israeli's are performing mass islamic genocide. Feeding on that
> hate, they can further unite their people behind them, and maintain
> their regimes.
> 
> Oh yeah...point to a URL....good answer. Especially such a good one,
> with such completely valid and complete information.
> 
> If you're really as smug as you seem, address all ot these issues.
> Don't just dis someone, because of their email address (like you did
> in the past). Furthermore, moderated newsgroups, loosely or not,
> aren't guaranteed the protection of free speech. You've claimed
> ignorance in the past, even though it's been you've been told multiple
> times. Must be for convenience sake. I guess being at UWM doesn't
> guaranty that you've been educated all that well, nor that you are
> actually as smart as you think.
> 
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:56:34 -0500, Carol Lee Smith
> <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
> 
> >The Origins Of The Palestine-Israel Conflict
> >
> >You can find it at http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html

Perhaps Americans should go back to the beginning, to the Balfour
Declaration, to Zionist activity in the USA to spur our entry into WW1
for the promise of a homeland, to the additional millions who died in
WW1 due to a prolonged war caused by our entry, to the murder of
Palestinians in 1948 and their forced removal from their lands.

And from a practical standpoint, just what is the value of Israel. How
much oil do we get from them? Why is Israel the #1 recipient of our
foreign aid?
Would not the money we send their, I believe about 5 billion last
year, be better used right here?

The payback. The murder of US sailors on the USS Liberty, Marines
killed in Lebanon. Now the WTC. How many more Americans will die as a
result of our support to the State of Israel? And just what is the
value of Israel?

Now we all recoginize the power of the Zionist lobby. We have been
battered by the rolling barrage of holocaust films, stories,
everything but T shirts.
We have crazed fundamentalists preachers soliciting funds to send
Russian Jews to Isreal. And final insult the "Russians" arriving in
the USA are almost all
Jewish claiming a special status as "persons threatened with religious
persecution". WHAT UTTER BULLSHIT!!!!!!!

Phil
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