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"jay" <jay_stutz@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> Though the wimp press called the stiffs "Mexican nationals", they were
> illegal aliens. Thank goodness that no Americans were injured. Five
> less fecal-colored invaders to pollute America.
>
> Jay
>
> http://www.vdare.com/  V-Dare

What's with you Pugs?  Bush is killing millions of people and all you can do 
is whine & cry & stamp your feet because some guy died in a car wreck.
Seek help. 

welcome to my fill-file, you dimwitted loser

"jay" <jay_stutz@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:1118014066.625309.7880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Though the wimp press called the stiffs "Mexican nationals", they were
> illegal aliens. Thank goodness that no Americans were injured. Five
> less fecal-colored invaders to pollute America.
>
> Jay
>
> http://www.vdare.com/  V-Dare
> 

Waiving the right to remain silent, "ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net> 
said:

> What's with you Pugs?  Bush is killing millions of people

Got a cite for these "millions" of people..?

-- 
  Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

  The United States is the greatest country in the world..!
  Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong.

Larry J. wrote:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net> 
> said:
> 
> 
>>What's with you Pugs?  Bush is killing millions of people
> 
> 
> Got a cite for these "millions" of people..?
> 

  You mean you didn't know?

  Bush had the AIDS virus re-engineered to go after Democrats and 
Muslims almost exclusively, the Bird Flu was developed by him to take 
out the Chinese, and he brought the Black Plague back into circulation 
and set it loose in India because he thinks cows are for eatin', not 
worshipping!

  That adds up to a lot of people!

"Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Larry J. wrote:
> > Waiving the right to remain silent, "ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net>
> > said:
> >
> >
> >>What's with you Pugs?  Bush is killing millions of people
> >
> >
> > Got a cite for these "millions" of people..?
> >
>
>   You mean you didn't know?
>
>   Bush had the AIDS virus re-engineered to go after Democrats and
> Muslims
======================

actually it was Clinton

Friday 11 September 1998
HIV blood came from Arkansas jail
U.S. firm linked to Clinton bought from prisoners and sold to Montreal
blood broker in '80s
            Mark Kennedy   The Ottawa Citizen

A U.S. firm with links to U.S. President Bill Clinton collected HIV-tainted
blood from Arkansas prison inmates in the 1980s and shipped it to Canada,
newly uncovered documents reveal. The contaminated plasma -- used to create
special blood products for hemophiliacs -- is believed to have been
infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. As well, it's likely the
prisoners' blood was contaminated with hepatitis C. The story of how that
plasma was collected and found its way into the bloodstreams of
unsuspecting Canadians stands as one of the most shocking -- yet least
explored -- aspects of the tainted-blood tragedy. Its significance is
magnified by the fact that Mr. Clinton's name is associated with the story.
 Mr. Clinton was governor of Arkansas when the Canadian blood supply was
contaminated in the mid-'80s. He was generally familiar with the operations
of now-defunct Health Management Associates (HMA), the Arkansas firm that
was given a contract by Mr. Clinton's own state administration to provide
medical care to prisoners.
In the process, HMA was also permitted to collect prisoners' blood and sell
it elsewhere.

HMA's president in the mid-1980s was Leonard Dunn, a personal friend
and political ally of Mr. Clinton. Later, Mr. Dunn was a Clinton appointee
to the Arkansas Industrial Development Commission, and he headed Mr.
Clinton's 1990 gubernatorial re-election finance committee. It's not known
how many Canadians contracted HIV from the plasma of Arkansas prisoners,
who were paid $7 a unit, although it's likely that several hundred, perhaps
thousands, were infected by the tainted products.  At the time, U.S.
companies that fractionate blood products had stopped buying prison blood
because it was widely understood that, since many inmates practised unsafe
sex or were intravenous drug addicts, their blood posed a high risk of
carrying the AIDS virus. However, HMA found a willing buyer in a Montreal
blood broker, who then sold the plasma to Toronto-based blood fractionator
Connaught Laboratories. Connaught apparently didn't realize the plasma had
come from prisoners. Canadians learned of the prison connection in 1995,
when Justice Horace Krever's inquiry on the tainted-blood scandal unearthed
some aspects of the story. In his voluminous report last November, Judge
Krever chronicled what he knew of the prison plasma contract. But nowhere
before now has any mention been made of Mr. Clinton's name, even though the
facility in question -- Cummins prison in Grady,  Arkansas -- was located
in his state during an era when the governor's office was active in
overseeing many aspects of public administration. Two new developments are
bound to focus public attention on Mr. Clinton's knowledge of the
prison-blood collection system -- all this at a time when the president is
bracing himself for the fallout over independent counsel Kenneth Starr's
report on the Monica Lewinsky affair.

This month, a new book, Blood Trail, is being released in Canada and the
U.S. It is a novel, and its Illinois publisher is carefully taking the
usual legal precaution to declare in the book that if any characters in
this "work of fiction" bear resemblance to real people, it is "purely
coincidental."
However, the book is a thinly veiled account of how an Arkansas governor
gets caught up in a prison-blood scheme gone bad, becomes U.S. president,
and tries to cover up his past.  What adds to the book's mystique is that
it is written under a pseudonym, "Michael Sullivan," to temporarily hide
the author's true identity. The Citizen is aware of the author's real name,
and has agreed to keep it confidential. The author is a medical
practitioner in Arkansas who has direct knowledge of how the prison system
worked when Mr. Clinton was governor. He wishes to remain anonymous
temporarily because he fears retribution in his home state, but
acknowledges that he will be willing to reveal his name once the media have
reported details of the prison-blood collection program. At that point, he
says, he won't feel as vulnerable.

In another development, the Citizen has obtained copies of internal
Arkansas state police documents written by investigators who were
examining HMA in the mid-'80s. The investigators were following up on
complaints the company supplied poor medical service to the prisoners
(some had died, and one had lost a leg) and were probing rumours that the
Clinton appointees on the prison board had demanded a bribe in return for
renewing HMA's $3-million health-care contract in 1985. In the end, the
investigators accepted the explanation supplied by the board and HMA: Mr.
Clinton was "deeply concerned about HMA's past performance" and it was
decided that as a condition of getting the contract renewed, Little Rock
lawyer Richard Mays should be paid $25,000 by the firm to act as an
"ombudsman" for the prisoners. Mr. Mays was a Clinton friend who had been
appointed to the Arkansas Supreme Court in 1980-81 by the governor.
The state police asked HMA and Mr. Mays for a copy of the "letter of
agreement" outlining what was expected of him as ombudsman, but one
could not be found.

Years later, Mr. Mays became entangled in the Whitewater scandal. His
name also cropped up as one of an exclusive group of Clinton friends and
supporters who the president rewarded with unusual access to the White
House. In fact, Mr. Mays was one of more than 300 loyalists who were
allowed to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom of the White House -- a well-kept
secret until word of the reward system leaked out, sparking a controversy in
the U.S. But what is perhaps most striking about the state troopers' notes
-- based on interviews -- was the propensity of HMA's president, Mr. Dunn,
to
boast of his political ties and the fact he was a "friend of Gov. Clinton."
"Mr. Dunn spoke openly and freely and explained to these investigators that
he was the financial portion of the corporation as well as the political
firm," wrote investigator Sam Probasco. "Dunn advised that ... he was close
to Gov. Clinton as well as the majority of state politicians presently in
office."  Also in the police files, Dr. Francis Henderson, HMA's medical
director, described how the market for prison blood had dried up in the
early '80s, the period when AIDS emerged.

One U.S. company, Cutter Laboratories, had in 1980 cancelled its contract
to purchase prisoners' plasma, he said, adding that it was "historically"
the
worst possible time to sell. "I called all over the world and finally got
one group in Canada who would take the contract," Dr. Henderson told the
state police. The state police documents even contain statements which, if
true, raise troubling questions about how HMA was able to sell its plasma
during that period.  The report, written by Sgt. King of the criminal
investigation division, stated: "H.M.A. licence was pulled in 1982 for
Falsifying Records and shipping hot blood. Their licence was pulled (for)
13 months." In a related document entitled "case synopsis," Dr. King also
wrote that in
August 1983, the prison plasma centre was "suspended after an investigation
by department of Health and Human Services, an agency with the Food and
Drug Administration." "The suspension was for collecting and shipping
plasma which had been collected from donors with a history of positive
tests for (hepatitis B) ... The violations were directly related to using
inmate labour in the record and donor reject list." It wasn't until the
Krever inquiry in 1995 that some limited aspects of the prison blood fiasco
began to emerge.

In the early '80s, the Canadian Red Cross had contracts with three U.S.
             companies (Cutter, Hyland and Armour) and one Canadian
firm(Connaught) to produce blood products. But not enough plasma was
collected from Canadian donors to produce the products, so some plasma had
to come from U.S. donors.
In December 1982, at a meeting with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration,
the U.S. companies agreed not to use plasma from high-risk donors, such as
prison inmates. But Connaught, because of its Canadian origins, was not at
the meeting and was unaware of the new policy.

To make matters worse, Connaught had decided it was "impracticable" to
inspect all of the plasma-collection sites itself and decided to rely on FDA
reports. Judge Krever discovered that those reports were obtained but not
reviewed by Connaught. The first publicly known signs of trouble came in
mid-June of 1983, when HMA told the FDA that 38 units of plasma it
collected earlier in the year from four inmates at the Grady prison should
not have been collected. The inmates had tested positive for hepatitis B
and it was well understood by specialists by 1983 that anyone with this
disease ran a high risk of also having AIDS. Thus, as Judge Krever noted,
there was a
"greater-than-average risk that the 38 units of plasma from the four inmates
could transmit AIDS."

On June 17, 1983, HMA told its Montreal blood broker, Continental Pharma,
of the problem. Four of the 38 units had already been sent to Connaught in
Toronto, and the other 34 units had been sold to fractionators in
Switzerland, Spain, Japan, and Italy.

Continental Pharma did not immediately warn Connaught of the danger.
Indeed, Connaught didn't learn until Aug. 18 of the problem from the
Canadian Health department, which had been told by the U.S. FDA.
The next day, Aug. 19, a Continental Pharma official told Connaught of the
problem. According to a Connaught memo of the conversation about the
four donors with hepatitis B: "They were from a prison population and had
not been truthful when their history was taken."  Until this conversation,
Connaught had been unaware of the fact that it had been processing plasma
collected from prison inmates. The shipping papers  accompanying the plasma
had not revealed the centre was located in a prison. They simply referred
to the source as the "ADC Plasma Centre,Grady, Arkansas," without any
indication that "ADC" stood for Arkansas Department of Corrections.
Connaught had received, in February 1983, an FDA inspection report that
revealed the centre was in a prison. But, as Judge Krever noted of the
report: "It had not been reviewed (by Connaught)." By the time Connaught
learned of the concerns about the four prisoners' plasma, it was virtually
too late. It had mixed the plasma in with huge pools of other units,
meaning just one contaminated unit would taint the whole batch. Connaught
had already sent the Canadian Red Cross 2,409 vials of blood products made,
in part, from the four prisoners' plasma. On Aug. 23, Connaught telephoned
the Red Cross and declared that it wanted to withdraw those vials of Factor
VIII, a blood product used by hemophiliacs to help make their blood clot
properly.  However, the Red Cross had already sent out the product to its
blood centres in Toronto, London, Hamilton and Ottawa. Officials scrambled
to pull the product from the shelves. But in the end, only 417 vials --
about one-sixth of the total -- was retrieved. Soon after, there was
another warning from HMA about potentially infected plasma from the Grady
prison. Again, it was too late. Connaught asked the Red Cross on Sept. 6 to
retrieve 1,968 vials. Only 27 were recovered. On Sept. 7, Connaught's
vice-president told the Red Cross that the plasma that had led to the two
withdrawals had been collected from prison inmates. The Red Cross
immediately cancelled its contract with Connaught, writing that although
the company was "not directly responsible for the circumstances" and had
"acted in good faith," the problem with the plasma "leaves us with no
confidence in the quality and safety of the material."

When Connaught conducted an internal review of the embarrassing mishap, it
discovered it had also collected plasma in 1982-83 from inmates at four
Louisiana prisons. A company there, Community Plasma Centre Inc., had
sold the plasma to HMA in Arkansas. Again, just as it did with the plasma
from the Grady prison, HMA sold the product to Continental Pharma, which
sold it to Connaught. "There is no doubt that Canada's dependence on
commercial concentrates made from U.S. plasma increased the risk that
Canadians with hemophilia would be infected with HIV," wrote Judge Krever.
The AIDS epidemic had hit the U.S. earlier, and that country's practice of
paying donors increased the risk that high-risk donors (such as drug
addicts) would donate because they needed the money. "The U.S. practice of
collecting plasma in prisons also increased the risk." Unfortunately, by
early 1983, however, Canada's was facing that risk itself. American
hemophiliacs were getting their products from U.S. fractionators that had
closed the door on prison blood.  "Connaught, without knowing it, became
the only fractionator in North
American that was using plasma collected in prisons," observed Judge
Krever. Almost all of that plasma, it seems, was coming from HMA in
Arkansas,
where Mr. Clinton had been re-elected after being once turfed from
archives.econ.utah.edu/ archives/pen-l/1998m09/msg00272.htm

"Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote in message 
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> Larry J. wrote:
>> Waiving the right to remain silent, "ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net> said:
>>
>>
>>>What's with you Pugs?  Bush is killing millions of people
>>
>>
>> Got a cite for these "millions" of people..?
>>
>
>  You mean you didn't know?
>
>  Bush had the AIDS virus re-engineered to go after Democrats and Muslims 
> almost exclusively, the Bird Flu was developed by him to take out the 
> Chinese, and he brought the Black Plague back into circulation and set it 
> loose in India because he thinks cows are for eatin', not worshipping!
>
>  That adds up to a lot of people!

Bush might as well have if he ignores these devastating diseases.  Like 
Nancy Reagan, Bush won't respond to these problems until it affects his 
loved ones.
Bush has wasted over $300 billions on a War HE created yet has nothing to 
leave mankind.
Sad. 

ATOMIC PUG BLASTER wrote:

> 
> "Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote in message 
> news:Pp0pe.6734$li.4865@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> 
>> Larry J. wrote:
>>
>>> Waiving the right to remain silent, "ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>> What's with you Pugs?  Bush is killing millions of people
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Got a cite for these "millions" of people..?
>>>
>>
>>  You mean you didn't know?
>>
>>  Bush had the AIDS virus re-engineered to go after Democrats and 
>> Muslims almost exclusively, the Bird Flu was developed by him to take 
>> out the Chinese, and he brought the Black Plague back into circulation 
>> and set it loose in India because he thinks cows are for eatin', not 
>> worshipping!
>>
>>  That adds up to a lot of people!
> 
> 
> Bush might as well have if he ignores these devastating diseases.  Like 
> Nancy Reagan, Bush won't respond to these problems until it affects his 
> loved ones.
> Bush has wasted over $300 billions on a War HE created yet has nothing 
> to leave mankind.
> Sad.

You need some new aluminum foil for the inside of your baseball cap.

"John s" <goober@aol.com> wrote in message 
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> ATOMIC PUG BLASTER wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote in message 
>> news:Pp0pe.6734$li.4865@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>>> Larry J. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Waiving the right to remain silent, "ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net> 
>>>> said:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What's with you Pugs?  Bush is killing millions of people
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Got a cite for these "millions" of people..?
>>>>
>>>
>>>  You mean you didn't know?
>>>
>>>  Bush had the AIDS virus re-engineered to go after Democrats and Muslims 
>>> almost exclusively, the Bird Flu was developed by him to take out the 
>>> Chinese, and he brought the Black Plague back into circulation and set 
>>> it loose in India because he thinks cows are for eatin', not 
>>> worshipping!
>>>
>>>  That adds up to a lot of people!
>>
>>
>> Bush might as well have if he ignores these devastating diseases.  Like 
>> Nancy Reagan, Bush won't respond to these problems until it affects his 
>> loved ones.
>> Bush has wasted over $300 billions on a War HE created yet has nothing to 
>> leave mankind.
>> Sad.
>
> You need some new aluminum foil for the inside of your baseball cap.

You should finish High School. 

ATOMIC PUG BLASTER wrote:

> Bush might as well have if he ignores these devastating diseases.  Like 
> Nancy Reagan, Bush won't respond to these problems until it affects his 
> loved ones.
> Bush has wasted over $300 billions on a War HE created yet has nothing 
> to leave mankind.
> Sad.

  Take it to the court of public clamor.  I don't recall Clinton trying 
to push through special spending for medical research either.

  BUT, this isn't a Bush vs Clinton thing.  Its a Liberals vs 
Conservative viewpoint.

  Liberal solution:  Throw money at research on how to cure people after 
they've caught it.

  Conservative solution:  Throw money at drug prevention and promoting 
moral values that will reduce promiscuous sex in order to PREVENT people 
from getting HIV in the first place.

  Which is the better to work on first?

On 5 Jun 2005 16:27:46 -0700, "jay" <jay_stutz@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Though the wimp press called the stiffs "Mexican nationals", they were
>illegal aliens.


Got a cite for that?


Or are you simply making assumptions?

"ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:Pp0pe.6734$li.4865@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Larry J. wrote:
> >> Waiving the right to remain silent, "ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net>
said:
> >>
> >>
> >>>What's with you Pugs?  Bush is killing millions of people
> >>
> >>
> >> Got a cite for these "millions" of people..?
> >>
> >
> >  You mean you didn't know?
> >
> >  Bush had the AIDS virus re-engineered to go after Democrats and Muslims
> > almost exclusively, the Bird Flu was developed by him to take out the
> > Chinese, and he brought the Black Plague back into circulation and set
it
> > loose in India because he thinks cows are for eatin', not worshipping!
> >
> >  That adds up to a lot of people!
>
> Bush might as well have if he ignores these devastating diseases.  Like
> Nancy Reagan, Bush won't respond to these problems until it affects his
> loved ones.
> Bush has wasted over $300 billions on a War HE created yet has nothing to
> leave mankind.

Why don't *you* leave mankind?  The world would be better for it, and you
would have my personal gratitude.

"Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote in message 
news:yk2pe.23027$k43.9961@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> ATOMIC PUG BLASTER wrote:
>
>> Bush might as well have if he ignores these devastating diseases.  Like 
>> Nancy Reagan, Bush won't respond to these problems until it affects his 
>> loved ones.
>> Bush has wasted over $300 billions on a War HE created yet has nothing to 
>> leave mankind.
>> Sad.
>
>  Take it to the court of public clamor.  I don't recall Clinton trying to 
> push through special spending for medical research either.
>
>  BUT, this isn't a Bush vs Clinton thing.  Its a Liberals vs Conservative 
> viewpoint.
>
>  Liberal solution:  Throw money at research on how to cure people after 
> they've caught it.
>
>  Conservative solution:  Throw money at drug prevention and promoting 
> moral values that will reduce promiscuous sex in order to PREVENT people 
> from getting HIV in the first place.
>
>  Which is the better to work on first?

The Moral Values stance won't work. 

"The Pervert" <pervert12@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net> wrote in message
> news:Pd1pe.494$bv7.50@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>
>> "Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:Pp0pe.6734$li.4865@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > Larry J. wrote:
>> >> Waiving the right to remain silent, "ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net>
> said:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>What's with you Pugs?  Bush is killing millions of people
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Got a cite for these "millions" of people..?
>> >>
>> >
>> >  You mean you didn't know?
>> >
>> >  Bush had the AIDS virus re-engineered to go after Democrats and 
>> > Muslims
>> > almost exclusively, the Bird Flu was developed by him to take out the
>> > Chinese, and he brought the Black Plague back into circulation and set
> it
>> > loose in India because he thinks cows are for eatin', not worshipping!
>> >
>> >  That adds up to a lot of people!
>>
>> Bush might as well have if he ignores these devastating diseases.  Like
>> Nancy Reagan, Bush won't respond to these problems until it affects his
>> loved ones.
>> Bush has wasted over $300 billions on a War HE created yet has nothing to
>> leave mankind.
>
> Why don't *you* leave mankind?  The world would be better for it, and you
> would have my personal gratitude.

Under whose authority, Fascist.
Why don't shitass PUGS like you get the fuck out of America and take your 
bio-trash family with you? 

"L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message 
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> On 5 Jun 2005 16:27:46 -0700, "jay" <jay_stutz@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Though the wimp press called the stiffs "Mexican nationals", they were
>>illegal aliens.
>
>
> Got a cite for that?
>
>
> Or are you simply making assumptions?

No they are just trying to get on a cause to cover for Bush's daily scandals 
so the PUGS don't feel so bad about electing a BOZO to the White House.. 

WHY ARE YOU POSTING TO CHI.*
how would you like a big cock up your tight littles asses?

you wouldn't like that would you...

LISTEN UP COCKSUCKERS
do not post this racial bullshit to chi* (we have enough racial tension in 
here with the Italians)

--
you can continue to crosspost to milwaukee general tho...cheesehead 
motherfuckers 

"ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net> wrote

> >> Bush might as well have if he ignores these devastating diseases.  Like
> >> Nancy Reagan, Bush won't respond to these problems until it affects his
> >> loved ones.
> >> Bush has wasted over $300 billions on a War HE created yet has nothing
to
> >> leave mankind.
> >
> > Why don't *you* leave mankind?  The world would be better for it, and
you
> > would have my personal gratitude.
>
> Under whose authority, Fascist.

It was a suggestion, asshole.

> Why don't shitass PUGS like you get the fuck out of America and take your
> bio-trash family with you?

Because we own this country.  We own you.

ATOMIC PUG BLASTER wrote:

> 
> "Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote in message 
> news:yk2pe.23027$k43.9961@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> 
>> ATOMIC PUG BLASTER wrote:
>>
>>> Bush might as well have if he ignores these devastating diseases.  
>>> Like Nancy Reagan, Bush won't respond to these problems until it 
>>> affects his loved ones.
>>> Bush has wasted over $300 billions on a War HE created yet has 
>>> nothing to leave mankind.
>>> Sad.
>>
>>
>>  Take it to the court of public clamor.  I don't recall Clinton trying 
>> to push through special spending for medical research either.
>>
>>  BUT, this isn't a Bush vs Clinton thing.  Its a Liberals vs 
>> Conservative viewpoint.
>>
>>  Liberal solution:  Throw money at research on how to cure people 
>> after they've caught it.
>>
>>  Conservative solution:  Throw money at drug prevention and promoting 
>> moral values that will reduce promiscuous sex in order to PREVENT 
>> people from getting HIV in the first place.
>>
>>  Which is the better to work on first?
> 
> 
> The Moral Values stance won't work.

The butt fuckers sure stick together. In more ways than one. They cause 
a problem, and we're supposed to solve it for them. Keep your pug in 
your pants when you're with the boys.

ATOMIC PUG BLASTER wrote:

> 
> "L Sternn" <lincolnfs@hm.net> wrote in message 
> news:tjd9a1hjc578muc834khmq8qpg54bmr26p@4ax.com...
> 
>> On 5 Jun 2005 16:27:46 -0700, "jay" <jay_stutz@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Though the wimp press called the stiffs "Mexican nationals", they were
>>> illegal aliens.
>>
>>
>>
>> Got a cite for that?
>>
>>
>> Or are you simply making assumptions?
> 
> 
> No they are just trying to get on a cause to cover for Bush's daily 
> scandals so the PUGS don't feel so bad about electing a BOZO to the 
> White House..

Are you one of those little malignant Mexican illegals?

Waiving the right to remain silent, "ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net>
said: 

> No they are just trying to get on a cause to cover for Bush's
> daily scandals so the PUGS don't feel so bad about electing a
> BOZO to the White House.. 

He was elected with the help of a fair number of Democrats.

Why don't you go fix your own disinegrating party, rather than 
blaming everything on the GOP..?

Start by getting rid of that fucking shrill idiot Dean.  That 
drooling fool will be the final nail in your coffin.

-- 
  Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

  The United States is the greatest country in the world..!
  Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong.

>
>  Liberal solution:  Throw money at research on how to cure people after 
> they've caught it.

Liberal solution: let people have the freedom to make thier own mistakes, 
but provide treatment options for them after they realize what they have 
done to themselves. This approach emphasizes personal responsibiliy and the 
recognition that a person is ultimately in control of thier own destiny.

>
>  Conservative solution:  Throw money at drug prevention and promoting 
> moral values that will reduce promiscuous sex in order to PREVENT people 
> from getting HIV in the first place.
>

Conservative solution: legistlate an individuals rights away, to the point 
of a police state, where that state decides what is moral and right, and 
imposes its beliefs and values on others because the personal freedoms, and 
freedom of choice encourages free thinking, are the biggest threat of the 
conservative establishment. This cannot be allowed to happen. There is too 
much power and money to be lost. The individual cannot exist, at any cost ! 

"Larry J." <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote in message 
news:Xns966DB09E97066larrythefrog@68.6.19.6...
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net>
> said:
>
>> No they are just trying to get on a cause to cover for Bush's
>> daily scandals so the PUGS don't feel so bad about electing a
>> BOZO to the White House..
>
> He was elected with the help of a fair number of Democrats.
>
> Why don't you go fix your own disinegrating party, rather than
> blaming everything on the GOP..?
>
> Start by getting rid of that fucking shrill idiot Dean.  That
> drooling fool will be the final nail in your coffin.
>
> -- 
>  Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
>
>  The United States is the greatest country in the world..!
>  Twenty-five million illegal aliens can't be wrong.


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On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:20:43 GMT, "Larry J."
<usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:

>Waiving the right to remain silent, "ATOMIC PUG BLASTER" <c@x.net>
>said: 
>
>> No they are just trying to get on a cause to cover for Bush's
>> daily scandals so the PUGS don't feel so bad about electing a
>> BOZO to the White House.. 
>
>He was elected with the help of a fair number of Democrats.
>
>Why don't you go fix your own disinegrating party, rather than 
>blaming everything on the GOP..?
>
>Start by getting rid of that fucking shrill idiot Dean.  That 
>drooling fool will be the final nail in your coffin.

You could be right, but Bush is but a nail in the coffin of this
country - not the final nail, but another one.

"jay" <jay_stutz@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1118014066.625309.7880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Though the wimp press called the stiffs "Mexican nationals", they were
> illegal aliens. Thank goodness that no Americans were injured. Five
> less fecal-colored invaders to pollute America.

Do you know for a fact that they were illegal? Maybe they held green cards? Maybe there were here legally on vacation?

You gotta wonder about the GOP. This is definitely not the party of 
Goldwater anymore. Or even Reagan. I wasn;t a fan of the Republicans in the 
past (except Goldwater in 1964) but you always felt they stood for small 
government and local control. Now, at every level, there is consolidation of 
power.  States preempt local authorities (minimum wage, gun control) and the 
Feds trump states (medical marijuana, drinking age). What gives?


-- 
Steven Blackwood
swblackwood@worldnet.att.net



"NuTCrAcKeR" <nutcracker@internationalhacker.org> wrote in message 
news:98SdnSINxNCwaTnfRVn-pQ@speakeasy.net...

>
> Liberal solution: let people have the freedom to make thier own mistakes, 
> but provide treatment options for them after they realize what they have 
> done to themselves. This approach emphasizes personal responsibiliy and 
> the recognition that a person is ultimately in control of thier own 
> destiny.

>
> Conservative solution: legistlate an individuals rights away, to the point 
> of a police state, where that state decides what is moral and right, and 
> imposes its beliefs and values on others because the personal freedoms, 
> and freedom of choice encourages free thinking, are the biggest threat of 
> the conservative establishment. This cannot be allowed to happen. There is 
> too much power and money to be lost. The individual cannot exist, at any 
> cost !
> 

In article <yk2pe.23027$k43.9961@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
 "Ryan P." <rpaque@delete.this.part.wi.rr.com> wrote:

> ATOMIC PUG BLASTER wrote:
> 
> > Bush might as well have if he ignores these devastating diseases.  Like 
> > Nancy Reagan, Bush won't respond to these problems until it affects his 
> > loved ones.
> > Bush has wasted over $300 billions on a War HE created yet has nothing 
> > to leave mankind.
> > Sad.
> 
>   Take it to the court of public clamor.  I don't recall Clinton trying 
> to push through special spending for medical research either.
> 
>   BUT, this isn't a Bush vs Clinton thing.  Its a Liberals vs 
> Conservative viewpoint.
> 
>   Liberal solution:  Throw money at research on how to cure people after 
> they've caught it.
> 
>   Conservative solution:  Throw money at drug prevention and promoting 
> moral values that will reduce promiscuous sex in order to PREVENT people 
> from getting HIV in the first place.
> 
>   Which is the better to work on first?

I don't understand the part about keeping homosexuals in circulation.
Committed in sickness and health sounds good to me.

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