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"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
>> greg3347 <theodoric3@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Notice this telling statement about the case by John Sweeney,
>>>> president of the AFL-CIO, who said, "This rule is a new tool to
>>>> repress workers' rights in the name of phony immigration
>>>> enforcement." Notice this statement assumes that illegal aliens
>>>> using other people's Social Security numbers have a "right" to do
>>>> exactly that, and that American labor unions are in the business of
>>>> protecting those "rights."
>
>> No.  Unions are protecting the rights of their membership to work.
>> In a country of "innocent until proven guilty" it is the government's
>> job to prove that they are guilty, not their job to prove that they
>> are innocent.  This is done by due process in the courts, not by
>> employers in a place of business.
>
>Wrong with trivial stuff like proving you are who you claim
>to be when using a credit card or using an aircraft as a
>passenger etc.  The courts arent involved in that proof at all.

With credit cards, it is the firms themselves that choose to require
such proof, not the government.  And in fact I am rarely asked for
such proof.  

With aircraft, it may be the government, but in fact the courts DO
have to get involved if you are charged with presenting a false ID.

>Same with proving you do have a drivers license when a cop
>pulls you over for exceeding the speed limit etc etc etc. 

And if the cop thinks you are presenting a false drivers license, or
that you have no drivers license, then indeed it has to be enforced by
the courts.

Meanwhile, none of these are germane, since unions exist to defend the
rights of their members, not those who use credit cards, fly on planes
or drive cars.  I can imagine that AAA engages in representing drivers
against changes to the laws that impact drivers in a negative way.

The ACLU exists to defend 1st amendment rights regardless of other
considerations.  It is doing so.

lojbab