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Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote
>>> greg3347 <theodoric3@lycos.com> wrote

>>>>> Notice this telling statement about the case by John Sweeney,
>>>>> president of the AFL-CIO, who said, "This rule is a new tool to
>>>>> repress workers' rights in the name of phony immigration
>>>>> enforcement." Notice this statement assumes that illegal aliens
>>>>> using other people's Social Security numbers have a "right" to do
>>>>> exactly that, and that American labor unions are in the business
>>>>> of protecting those "rights."

>>> No.  Unions are protecting the rights of their membership to work.
>>> In a country of "innocent until proven guilty" it is the
>>> government's job to prove that they are guilty, not their job to
>>> prove that they are innocent.  This is done by due process in the
>>> courts, not by employers in a place of business.

>> Wrong with trivial stuff like proving you are who you claim
>> to be when using a credit card or using an aircraft as a
>> passenger etc.  The courts arent involved in that proof at all.

> With credit cards, it is the firms themselves that
> choose to require such proof, not the government.

Irrelevant to flying where it aint the firms themselves that impose the requirement.

> And in fact I am rarely asked for such proof.

Irrelevant to whether the courts are ever involved.

> With aircraft, it may be the government, but in fact the courts DO
> have to get involved if you are charged with presenting a false ID.

Pity about when you just want to fly and need to present ID to be allowed to do so.

>> Same with proving you do have a drivers license when a
>> cop pulls you over for exceeding the speed limit etc etc etc.

> And if the cop thinks you are presenting a false drivers license, or that
> you have no drivers license, then indeed it has to be enforced by the courts.

Pity that the courts dont get involved when there is
no question of false ID and ID is just demanded.

> Meanwhile, none of these are germane,

Corse they are to your silly claim about "innocent until proven guilty" and the courts.

> since unions exist to defend the rights of their members, not those who use credit
> cards, fly on planes or drive cars.  I can imagine that AAA engages in representing
> drivers against changes to the laws that impact drivers in a negative way.

I made no comment on any of that, JUST on YOUR silly
claim about "innocent until proven guilty" and the courts.

> The ACLU exists to defend 1st amendment rights
> regardless of other considerations.  It is doing so.

I made no comment on any of that, JUST on YOUR silly
claim about "innocent until proven guilty" and the courts.