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Che'Gu Maru wrote:
> 
> "Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamspay_klaatu@earthops.net> wrote in message
> news:3D60377E.2343B887@earthops.net...
> > Che'Gu Maru wrote:
> > >
> > > We have every right to control our borders, and should do so.
> > >
> > > However, there are a lot of "Mexicans" living in the United States who
> are
> > > citizens
> >
> > __NO__.
> >
> > "Mexicans" are citizens or nationals of Mexico.
> >
> > Citizens of the United States of America are "Americans".
> >
> 
> In once sense I stand corrected. In another, however, you misread me.  I
> deliberately put the term, "Mexican" in quotes originally to indicate that
> although I was talking about people who some may call "Mexican", in fact
> they are NOT Mexicans.

THANK you. 

> 
> > > and whose families lived here far before that of the poster.  I
> > > personally know some whose family histories predate the Mexican-American
> > > war, and who became American by default after we gained New Mexico, Arizona,
> > > and California.
> >
> > Try reading the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo sometime.
> 
> Been there, done that, albeit about thirty years ago.

Right. I'm mostly a little upset at your use of the phrase "by default" in a
rather cavalier way; after the Treaty GH those who wished to retain "the
character of Mexicans" were to remove themselves to the south of the border;
those who chose to remain were to adopt "the character of Americans". I
suppose you can say that they became Americans by default. But having lived
for some time in Texas, I can tell you that most of the Americans of Mexican
ancestry to whom I ever spoke, had a fairly low opinion of Mexicans. These
guys might have grown up speaking Spanish, but they seemed to consider
themselves as blessed; they had all of the advantages of being American and
most of them seemed to think of illegal aliens as the worst of the worst.

> >
> > >
> > > They have every right to be here.  A surprisingly large number, like Roy
> > > Benavidez, proved it  beyond any doubt whatsoever.
> > >
> > > I appreciate the poem and the humor in it.  But you are also implicitly
> > > insulting a lot of people who not only don't deserve it, but who
> > > individually may be a better American than thou.
> >
> > Get off it. That bit of doggerel doesn't talk about US citizens who are
> > "hispanic", it doesn't talk about Legal Immigrants, it speaks of the ongoing
> > and institutionalized abuses of the US by ILLEGAL ALIENS.
> >
> > You're an American citizen of Mexican-ancestry? Fine! We're all Americans.
> 
> Actually I'm a native-born American of Neanderthal ancestry.

Fine with me. I've got some substantial brow ridges myself. However,
reliable rumor indicates that I got my brow ridges from evolution on another
planet. Feel free to disbelieve this, however, despite your ancestry, my
ancestry, anyone's ancestry -- US Constitution Amendment 14 Section 1 still
applies. If a corporation is legally a person and a citizen, so is anyone
who was born here or naturalized. Your allegiances should be to the Republic
which admits your rights, not to nations or tribes which repressed your
rights.

> >
> > However, remember, a Mexican is a citizen of Mexico, unless they are here by
> > permission, they're here without permissions.
> >
> > Legal Immigrants are welcome, they're invited.
> >
> > ILLEGAL ALIENS have invaded in numbers of no less than 8 millions over the
> > last decade.
> >
> > ILLEGAL ALIENS' costs are well-documented. See
> > http://www.bordercounties.org/
> >
> > What can you do about it? Not much. Some things can work in some places,
> > though. See http://www.ranchrescue.com/
> 
> Actually, the data on the costs of illegal aliens isn't as well-documented
> as you might think.

You are about to step onto a land-mine. In fact, I think you just did.

> An argument has been made, at least, that when they hold
> jobs under false identities, they contribute to Social Security, Medicate,
> and pay income tax, none of which will ever come back to them. 

Huddle (Rice University)  (et al, including the GAO and especially the US
Commission on Immigration Reform [the so-called "barbara jordan report")
have concluded that while there may be a slight benefit conferred to the
Federal government for these reasons, disproportionately, the State and
Local jurisdictions and revenue authorities take a massive hit in the
finances. Please examine the bordercounties reports. See also Senator Kyl's
documentation of the near-collapse of medical systems in areas overrun with
illegal aliens. If the Federal government has to start compensating the
State and local jurisdictions and revenue authorities, illegal aliens become
a dead loss all around. 


> Some people
> think (and I disagree with them) that the only reason we haven't cracked
> down harder on illegals is that they are all that is keeping Social Security
> afloat.  I'm not saying this is a correctd argument, but certainly you have
> to include these figures in any valid estimates of the "costs of illegals."

Been there. done that. See GAO, see Huddle, see USCIR, see
http://www.earthops.net/immigration/ and prowl around. Mirrored at
http://media.earthops.net/ 



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