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"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message 
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> "Comm" <no@spam.com> wrote:
>>"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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>>>>The problem with that is that by the time about a year goes by for 
>>>>anyone
>>>>to
>>>>learn "first year ebonics" the language of ebonics will have 
>>>>significantly
>>>>CHANGED.
>>>
>>> As I said, nobody is learning "first year ebonics", since nobody is
>>> teaching it.
>>
>>I haven't read the entire LONGwinded thread, heh.  Just saw this post from
>>you.  I know nobody's teaching it.  But how could anyone teach a language
>>that changes so fast?
>
> Who is teaching the language?

I have no idea IF it's being taught.  I did NOT read the whole damned 
thread.  I saw your posts and a few others.  I understand the brunt of 
Rudy's ideas - they are like Bob Martinez of Florida who was in favor of the 
"english only" vote we had awhile back (which won overwhelmingly, but that 
proves votes don't matter anymore).  He said the same thing - learning 
English puts Hispanics INTO the mainstream in the USA.  Not learning it WILL 
marginalize them.

If you understood what an Ebonics
> program was, you wouldn't ask such a silly question, since no one in
> fact teaches "a language that changes so fast".

I didn't ask a damned question.  I was commenting on teaching ANY KIND of 
language (ebonics as an eg) that changes very fast.  It's not possible.
>
> But as another form of answer, the language known as "Latin" evolved
> over a thousand years, and the church Latin spoken today is quite
> different from any form that was spoken in the Roman Republic or
> Empire.

Yup, I know that, that used to be my example when people bitched about "bad 
language."  Once upon a time, Spanish, French, Italian and a few others were 
BAD LATIN.  Now they are LANGUAGES.  What tends to keep languages in stasis 
long enough to be able to teach them, is when they are written languages 
with some rule book on grammar.  Like English has.  In case you didn't 
notice, not too many god damned English words are SPELLED the way they're 
pronounced - and foreigners always complain that there are NO rules for 
pronunciation in English at all.  I agree - there aren't.

Furthermore the formal language of rhetoric (Cicero) was
> quite unlike the "vulgar" language, which shows up in other writings.
> How can anyone teach a language that changed so drastically?  Ask any
> Latin teacher - it isn't hard.

The only reason we even know Roman Latin is because it was recorded, written 
down somewhere.

The goal isn't fluent speech of
> course, but to understand what others are saying.  Much easier.

No shit Dick Tracy.  Didn't I just say that?  I understand Festus speak and 
I understand ebonics.   Do you know what I mean by Festus speak?  Ever hear 
it?  I won't repeat what I just said.  I don't see how EITHER speech is 
"genocide" so long as they learn school-ese  English.  I can understand 
corrections in grammar, number, etc when in school, when writing a paper, 
etc.  But when people stop you in the middle of a heart-felt, animated 
conversation to correct the damned English - they are stuffy pains in the 
butt.  Fuck them.  Let them correct that.
>
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