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Re: Ebonics is racist clap-trap

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From: Rudy Canoza
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:38
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the post-mangling coward '*' lied:
> On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:12:26 -0400, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
>
> >"Comm" <no@spam.com> wrote:
> >>What the hey?  See in.
> >>"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message news:koqdg11r0oiuiajksgl98ue8d12rli7ukd@4ax.com...
> >>> "Comm" <no@spam.com> wrote:
> >>>>"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message news:ro5ef1dtm1sanutvfp9vcmol1321a9q2mm@4ax.com...
> >>>>>>The problem with that is that by the time about a year goes by for anyone
> >>>>>>to learn "first year ebonics" the language of ebonics will have
> >>>>>>significantly CHANGED.
> >>>>> As I said, nobody is learning "first year ebonics", since nobody is
> >>>>> teaching it.
> >>>>I haven't read the entire LONGwinded thread, heh.  Just saw this post from
> >>>>you.  I know nobody's teaching it.  But how could anyone teach a language
> >>>>that changes so fast?
> >>> Who is teaching the language?
> >>I have no idea IF it's being taught.
> >
> >No one has yet posted information about an Ebonic program that was
> >intended to "teach the language".  The idea is to inform the
> >*teachers* as to what the differences between Black English Vernacular
> >and the academic standard language, so that the *teachers* can
> >understand what the students are saying

If the "students" were taught English in the first place, and their
parents weren't encouraged to use someone's political agenda as a
"language", there would be no need for teachers to make any adjustment.


> >and when an error might be due
> >to the nonstandard language rather than failure to understand the
> >concepts, in which case the job of the teacher is *different*.  When a
> >foreigner makes a mistake, the teacher likely will recognize the
> >difference between a conceptual misunderstanding and a language error,
> >but that is far less likely with a native speaker, especially one
> >speaking a dialect that is so much derided.  The teachers also tend to
> >have the same misconceptions about the nature of the differences as
> >the racists who post obviously phony "ebonics talk".
>
> Excellent points.

They're worthless, digressive points.  It figured you, a vehemently
racist bigot, would think they're good points.
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From: "Rudy Canoza" <notgenx32@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: Ebonics is racist clap-trap
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