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Article #2057Re: Ebonics is racist clap-trap
From: Rudy Canoza
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:38
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:38
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the post-mangling coward '*' lied: > On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:12:26 -0400, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote: > > >"Comm" <no@spam.com> wrote: > >>What the hey? See in. > >>"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message news:koqdg11r0oiuiajksgl98ue8d12rli7ukd@4ax.com... > >>> "Comm" <no@spam.com> wrote: > >>>>"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message news:ro5ef1dtm1sanutvfp9vcmol1321a9q2mm@4ax.com... > >>>>>>The problem with that is that by the time about a year goes by for anyone > >>>>>>to learn "first year ebonics" the language of ebonics will have > >>>>>>significantly CHANGED. > >>>>> As I said, nobody is learning "first year ebonics", since nobody is > >>>>> teaching it. > >>>>I haven't read the entire LONGwinded thread, heh. Just saw this post from > >>>>you. I know nobody's teaching it. But how could anyone teach a language > >>>>that changes so fast? > >>> Who is teaching the language? > >>I have no idea IF it's being taught. > > > >No one has yet posted information about an Ebonic program that was > >intended to "teach the language". The idea is to inform the > >*teachers* as to what the differences between Black English Vernacular > >and the academic standard language, so that the *teachers* can > >understand what the students are saying If the "students" were taught English in the first place, and their parents weren't encouraged to use someone's political agenda as a "language", there would be no need for teachers to make any adjustment. > >and when an error might be due > >to the nonstandard language rather than failure to understand the > >concepts, in which case the job of the teacher is *different*. When a > >foreigner makes a mistake, the teacher likely will recognize the > >difference between a conceptual misunderstanding and a language error, > >but that is far less likely with a native speaker, especially one > >speaking a dialect that is so much derided. The teachers also tend to > >have the same misconceptions about the nature of the differences as > >the racists who post obviously phony "ebonics talk". > > Excellent points. They're worthless, digressive points. It figured you, a vehemently racist bigot, would think they're good points.
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