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In article <1992Aug3.025613.15402@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <15hpt4INN4g0@agate.berkeley.edu> dan@jonas.berkeley.edu (dan graves) writes:
>>In article <26138@life.ai.mit.edu>, gwydion@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Basalat Ali Raja) writes:
>>|> One cannot help but ask...  Israel is the only democracy in the middle
>>|> east?  How many of the Palestinians whose very lives and destiny are
>>|> directly controlled by the Zionist government in Jerusalem have had a
>>|> chance to vote against or in favour of this government?
>>|>
>>|> Spare me the lawyer's answers, that these people are immigrants, or
>>|> refugees or whatever.  They have been there for generations, in many
>>|> cases much longer than their Jewish neighbours who CAN vote.  And yet
>>|> you claim that Israel is a democracy?  Only if you accept as a
>>|> corollary that the Palestinians are not human.  Will you do that?
>>
>>This is utter  crap.  All Arabs that live in Israel proper can
>>vote and there are Arab members of the Knesset.   This means
>>that Israel is a democracy in  every sense of the word.
>
>ARF says:
>
>Aside from evading his point about 3 million Palestinians under occupation
>who have no rights at all,  tell us how many Arabs are in the Government.
>the Kennesset doesn't count.
>

First: There are 2 new Arab vice-ministers, one from Avoda , second
from Merez. the names are: Nawaf Masalha and Waled Sadek.

There was an Arab Israeli Consul in Atlanta for 2 years, the name was
Muhammad Masrawa.

This is of course not much but you have to remember that almost all of
the Arab world is in a state of war with Israel for 40-years. being
cautious is only natural.

Second: The numbe of WB&G arabs is multiplying like rabbits in the
Anti-Israeli propaganda. The correct figure would be 1.7 millions at
most.

Third: They are without the right of a Israli citizen, because they're
territrory is under dispute and they are waging war against Israel.
This is perfectly legitimate on their side but they cannot then
complain that they are cheated of their rights as a peacful population.

Either they want to fight Israel till they get independence (and then
they must suffer the consequences of the fighting) or they are willing
to accept Israel and benefit from the rights that peacful people
deserve, while asserting their national demands in a less violent way.

You can't eat the cake and have it whole, or can't you?

David.

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