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Article #1264Re: Incredible: German Peace March makes top TV commentators think!
From: Kai Bartels
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 1991 09:01
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 1991 09:01
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In article <BZS.91Feb5221133@world.std.com>, Barry Shein writes:
> From: kaba@acdhq.north.de (Kai Bartels)
> >No!
> >It has to be said over and over again until this war really ends!
> >So:
> ...
> >4) The sanctions wouldn't have failed if ANYBODY who has the power would've
> > REALLY tried it!
>
> And I'll repeat myself: Advocating the starvation of millions of
> people is not an obvious moral high ground. And assuming that the
I think you just don't see this two points:
1) The iraqi people would've started acting before they woulf accept to
starve! I think Sadam would've lost all his support with the time, even
the support of his army!
2) I didn't 'advocate the starvation of milions', maybe I did't say it, but
I don't support sanctions that include food and medical goods! The
sanctons I was speaking of include first of all military supplies and
goods to keep a industry runnin and of course export sanctions.
> Iraqi army (Saddam Hussein etc.) would just sit there and let the
> country starve is naive at best.
No, I suppose he wouldn't let the country starve, but I don't object to
an army defenfing itself or defending a territory (say: the US army
defending Saudi Arabia). I object to an army ATTACKING a country and
killing civilians.
> And if the sanctions wouldn't be life-threatening, then how would they
> be more effective in changing their (Iraqi govt's) attitude than
> 44,000 bombing sorties?
I don't really see that this these sorties have changed anything except
bringing people from life to death.
> Find another position to support, this one stinks.
I don't see the need to find another position, this one is the best I can
think of.
> -Barry Shein
regards, Kai
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