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rkbose <rkbose@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
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>
> Charles Packer wrote:
> >
> > In article <3A14D0E0.941A40CD@ix.netcom.com>, Ken M. wrote:
> > >Maybe this officer should be arrested for false arrest and child
> > >abuse and kidnapping? This IS bullshit.
> >
> > Welcome to Singapore!
[snip]
> >
>
> Speaking from Singapore, I haven't yet seen any 12 y-o kids being
> arrested for eating on the MRT (Metro equivalent). Nor have I seen them
> handcuffed.

You mean you can eat on the subway there?  If so, I wager the Singapore
subway has hard plastic seats and a rubberized floor.  The DC metro has rugs
and stuff that would be hard to clean if they got stained, hence the strict
policy.

--Steve

Almost twenty years ago the metro goons arrested a woman for eating an apply
and stripped searched her.    She won about $30,000 in damages.

I would advise the little girl to 1) get a good lawyer, and 2) stop wasting
her time on a "double-Dutch jump-rope" team.


> Maybe this officer should be arrested for false arrest and child
> abuse and kidnapping? This IS bullshit.

It is bullshit.  But it isn't child abuse or kidnapping.   It is just a
"cop"

In article <3A14D0E0.941A40CD@ix.netcom.com>, Ken M. wrote:
>Maybe this officer should be arrested for false arrest and child
>abuse and kidnapping? This IS bullshit.

Welcome to Singapore!

Metro said they were responding to commuter complaints of
trashed cars, but I'd like them to release the actual count of
complaints and see an alleged food-splattered car before
I could be sympathetic to either the purported complainants
or to Metro.

-- 
packer@clark.net (Charles Packer)
http://www.clark.net/~whatnews

Charles Packer wrote:
> 
> In article <3A14D0E0.941A40CD@ix.netcom.com>, Ken M. wrote:
> >Maybe this officer should be arrested for false arrest and child
> >abuse and kidnapping? This IS bullshit.
> 
> Welcome to Singapore!
> 
> Metro said they were responding to commuter complaints of
> trashed cars, but I'd like them to release the actual count of
> complaints and see an alleged food-splattered car before
> I could be sympathetic to either the purported complainants
> or to Metro.
> 

Speaking from Singapore, I haven't yet seen any 12 y-o kids being
arrested for eating on the MRT (Metro equivalent). Nor have I seen them
handcuffed.

Rupa

poboxdc@ix.netcom.com (Ken M.) wrote in
<3A14D0E0.941A40CD@ix.netcom.com>: 

>School May Punish Girl Who Ate in Metro Station 
>
<snip>

Appologies for crossposting.

I heard about this.

They arrested and handcuffed a 12 year old for eating some fries in the
Metro? This is absolutely fucking ridiculous. What the hell is this,
Oceana? Jesus allmighty the metro and everyone else should be sued to
hell for doing something so incredibly idiotic! 

As if telling her to dispose of the food would not have been sufficient
to remedy the situation! 

Ugh.


-- 
Gino "Il Guerriero" Genovese

"History is an Endless Waltz in three measures; War, Peace, and
Revolution." Mariemaia Khushrenada - Gundam Wing: The Endless Waltz 

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In article <8v46r7$g69$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,
vrml3d.com <comments@vrml3d.com> wrote:
}
}You mean you can eat on the subway there?  If so, I wager the Singapore
}subway has hard plastic seats and a rubberized floor.  The DC metro has rugs
}and stuff that would be hard to clean if they got stained, hence the strict
}policy.

Naa, he's saying they just cane them on the spot.

If that indoor/outdoor carpeting in the Metro (not to mention the
hard plastic seats) is hard to clean, someone got cheated.  

(yep, I've eaten on the Metro.  Didn't get caught, though.  Been
really drunk on the Metro, too, and I'm sure I'm not the only one;
will they arrest you if you get sick all over the rug?)
-- 
Matthew T. Russotto                                russotto@pond.com
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
of justice is no virtue." 

akio@hotbot.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Eating food in the metro system is a crime, by VA, DC, and MD law. In
> DC, the prohibition is covered by DC Criminal Code Title 44, Chapter 2,
> Section 44-223(b) which states, in annotated form: "It is unlawful for
> any person either while aboard a public passenger vehicle ... including
> vehicles owned and/or operated by WMATA, which is transporting
> passengers in regular route service within the corporate limits of the
> District of Columbia; or while aboard a rail transit car ... or WHILE
> WITHIN A RAIL TRANSIT STATION... to: (1) Smoke or carry a lighted or
> smoldering pipe, cigar, cigarette; (2) CONSUME FOOD OR DRINK; (3) Spit;
> (4) Discard litter ..."
> 
> Because this happened in DC, the officer had no option but to handcuff
> the kid. Had it happened in MD or VA, it would have been at the
> discretion of the officer to cuff or not. That said, it is kinda
> overkill. I wish they'd cuffed that guy I saw last year on the Metro
> who was clipping his toenails (?!). That oughtta be a crime.
> 
> --
> Bloodmonkey Media, Inc.

Or the officer could have simply taken the fries away from the
12 yr. old girl and warned her.

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In va.general Matthew T. Russotto <russotto@wanda.vf.pond.com> wrote:

> (yep, I've eaten on the Metro.  Didn't get caught, though.  Been
> really drunk on the Metro, too, and I'm sure I'm not the only one;
> will they arrest you if you get sick all over the rug?)

I don't think so, but at rush hour they will clear the whole car, and your
fellow commuters/victims will not like you very much.

Actually you don't have to get drunk to get sick on Metro. All you need to
do is eat something bad for breakfast and then be lucky enough to get you
a "jerk" motorman who moves the train down the track like a 16-year old
trying to learn how to drive a stick shift.

Gawd help you if you're a pregnant lady...
--
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In article <3a191d9e.24133855@news.mindspring.com>,
  send-to-spam991@yahoo.com (Spam) wrote:
>
> So, please explain your point.  Do you support the severity of the
> action taken by the authorities in this case?  Or are you simply so
> intolerant about the smell of French fries that you feel children
> should be handcuffed and arrested for bringing them onto Metro
> property, rather than being issued a ticket or a verbal warning?

I feel that an official action stronger than a verbal warning was
justified and necessary, given the willful intent and the reported
history of problems at the location.  DC laws require taking into
custody for minors.  I'm not a lawyer nor a psychologist, so I defer
to them to judge whether that is good policy.  Handcuffs were probably
going too far, but then again, I really can't say since I'm also not a
police officer who lives with danger daily.

--
Michael Malak
malak@claygency.com


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>In article <3a191d9e.24133855@news.mindspring.com>,
>  send-to-spam991@yahoo.com (Spam) wrote:
>>
>> So, please explain your point.  Do you support the severity of the
>> action taken by the authorities in this case?  Or are you simply so
>> intolerant about the smell of French fries that you feel children
>> should be handcuffed and arrested for bringing them onto Metro
>> property, rather than being issued a ticket or a verbal warning?

Michael Malak <malak@claygency.com> wrote:

>I feel that an official action stronger than a verbal warning was
>justified and necessary, given the willful intent and the reported
>history of problems at the location.

Where is the proof that there was willful intent to disregard the
rule, as opposed to careless or ignorant behavior?

>DC laws require taking into custody for minors.

I somehow doubt that minors are required to be arrested for any and
all offenses.

>I'm not a lawyer nor a psychologist, so I defer
>to them to judge whether that is good policy.

If I'm not mistaken, that's what this whole discussion is about.

>Handcuffs were probably going too far

Now I'm confused.  You do or you don't support what the Metro police
did?

>but then again, I really can't say since I'm also not a
>police officer who lives with danger daily.

We're talking about Metro police here, not the DCPD.  The level of
"daily danger" is quite a bit lower.

In article <3a194490.7115719@news.mindspring.com>,
  send-to-spam991@yahoo.com (Spam) wrote:
> >In article <3a191d9e.24133855@news.mindspring.com>,
> >  send-to-spam991@yahoo.com (Spam) wrote:
> >>
> >> So, please explain your point.  Do you support the severity of the
> >> action taken by the authorities in this case?  Or are you simply so
> >> intolerant about the smell of French fries that you feel children
> >> should be handcuffed and arrested for bringing them onto Metro
> >> property, rather than being issued a ticket or a verbal warning?
>
> Michael Malak <malak@claygency.com> wrote:
>
> >I feel that an official action stronger than a verbal warning was
> >justified and necessary, given the willful intent and the reported
> >history of problems at the location.
>
> Where is the proof that there was willful intent to disregard the
> rule, as opposed to careless or ignorant behavior?

The arresting officer asked the girl if she was aware that eating on
the Metro was illegal. She said she was aware, but was eating anyway
because she was hungry.

>
> >DC laws require taking into custody for minors.
>
> I somehow doubt that minors are required to be arrested for any and
> all offenses.
> [snip]

The statute that was enforced is DC-specific. If a Metro officer
decides to arrest a minor while within the DC city limits, he/she has
to use handcuffs. No option. If the incident occurred in MD or VA, it
would have been at the officer's discretion wether or not to use the
cuffs. Sounded kind of weird to me, having different laws depending on
where you are on the Metro, but it has to do with regional
jurisdiction. For example, if you kill someone at the Vienna Station,
you might get the death penalty, but do the same thing at the New
Carrolton Station and the most you'll get is life in prison.



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"Matthew T. Russotto" wrote:
> 
> In article <8v46r7$g69$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,
> vrml3d.com <comments@vrml3d.com> wrote:
> }
> }You mean you can eat on the subway there?  If so, I wager the Singapore
> }subway has hard plastic seats and a rubberized floor.  The DC metro has rugs
> }and stuff that would be hard to clean if they got stained, hence the strict
> }policy.
> 
> Naa, he's saying they just cane them on the spot.
> 
> If that indoor/outdoor carpeting in the Metro (not to mention the
> hard plastic seats) is hard to clean, someone got cheated.
> 
> (yep, I've eaten on the Metro.  Didn't get caught, though.  Been
> really drunk on the Metro, too, and I'm sure I'm not the only one;
> will they arrest you if you get sick all over the rug?)

Nope -- as long as you make a concerted effort to yark in the trash-cans,
they don't much care if you hurl in the stations. Flooding the rug is
something on which I am sure they would frown, but it's not exactly an
intentional act like whipping out a burger and chowing down.

> --
> Matthew T. Russotto                                russotto@pond.com
> "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in pursuit
> of justice is no virtue."

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