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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:11
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On 1 Dec 2003 07:10:12 -0800, ccleland2000@yahoo.com (charles) wrote: How many small negatives messages are required to change a man? How many negatives messages reach the ears and eyes of my children each day? Who pays for the damage? I think that we all pay. >"Godzilla Pimp" <GodzillaPimp@notme.net> wrote in message news:<N9yyb.29119$Rk5.3493@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>... >> URBAN LAW 101 >> >> ADVENTURES WITH BLACK CLIENTS. >> >> by Donald Williamson, Attorney >> >> published in American Renaissance Vol. 14 No. 9 (September 2003) >> >> I grew up in a suburb of a large northern city, and had no real contact with >> blacks until I became a lawyer. After I got my law degree I naively looked >> forward to a rewarding legal career. Little did I realize that 25 years >> later I would be a self-employed attorney doing domestic and civil >> litigation for a clientele that is overwhelmingly black. I didn't plan it >> that way. I just wanted to do a lot of work in the courtroom, and the best >> offer I got out of law school was with a small firm that specialized in >> bankruptcy. Most of its clients were black. Several years later, I set up an >> independent practice and many of my former clients came to me for domestic >> work. >> >> Most people do not realize this, but outside the world of corporate or >> securities law, in any big city the legal profession is to a large degree >> fueled by the pathologies of blacks and other Third-World people. Of course, >> whites hire lawyers, but in any city, especially one with a good-sized black >> population, most of the people who need lawyers are black. In this respect, >> lawyers are like police officers or social workers - they rarely deal with >> ordinary white people. To a large degree, I became racially conscious >> because of my black clients, who eventually destroyed all my preconceived >> notions about race. My awakening did not come from one or even a few >> incidents, but from the accumulation of thousands upon thousands of small >> interactions. >> >> My black clients eventually destroyed all my preconceived notions about >> race. Day after day my clients continue to amaze me. There is no racial >> education quite so thorough and convincing as spending time with blacks, and >> my clients are far from being the poorest and least competent blacks. They >> are not indigent criminals for whom I am a court-appointed lawyer. They are >> people who can afford (or think they can afford) a lawyer to get a divorce, >> contest a custody judgment, beat a traffic ticket, etc. Some are government >> employees who make $60 to $70 thousand a year, yet even this group is vastly >> different from whites. >> >> THEY DON'T KNOW >> >> One of the most striking things about my black clients is the things they do >> not know. Many blacks, for example, do not know their own telephone numbers. >> They may think they do but they don't, and the problem has gotten worse with >> the proliferation of cell phones. At least a third of the numbers they leave >> with my receptionist or on my answering machine are wrong numbers. Often, a >> potential client will call several times, each time leaving a variation of >> the same phone number. I keep calling until they get it right. At first I >> thought I was taking down the numbers incorrectly, but now I know better. >> With caller ID, it is clear when what the client says does not match the >> digital display. Some callers don't even leave a number. About a quarter of >> the messages blacks leave do not include either a name or a number. Needless >> to say, many calls are not returned. >> >> More than a handful of blacks who have come to my office do not even know >> their own home address (they move often). Many cannot tell me their own >> spouse's names. Now I know to tell clients ahead of time that they will need >> this sort of information when they come in. Otherwise, if I ask for >> someone's address he may look hurt and say, "If I'd known you were going to >> ask me that I would have come prepared." >> >> Many black men know their children's names but do not know how to spell >> them. With the proliferation of unusual names among blacks, I can only guess >> at how they are spelled. One client who told me he couldn't spell his >> children's names said I would need an encyclopedia to look them up. Many men >> have admitted to me they are not even sure how to pronounce their children's >> names. Black woman, on the other hand, often become incensed if you >> mispronounce the very unusual names they have given their children. >> >> The most unusual name I ever came across was Iisszzttadda. I have never met >> a person, white or black, who could pronounce it correctly. To my surprise >> the name is pronounced, "I seize the day." Iisszzttadda had siblings named >> Raheem, Utopian, Desiorme, Sid-Timothy, Kizzma, and Larilaril. I have >> occasionally asked clients the reasons for such unusual names, but the most >> common answer is "I don't know. It just sounded good." This is the answer I >> got from a mother who named her child Latrine. (See sidebar for actual names >> of blacks I have encountered in my practice.) I once had a client in my >> office who did not know his own name. He had been called by his nickname for >> so long he couldn't remember his given name. This is not as shocking as it >> sounds. Some black names, like Phe-anjoy or Quithreaun or JyesahJhnai, are >> so odd, it would be no surprise if they were never used and eventually >> forgotten. >> >> Some Names of Blacks Encountered in My Practice >> >> Aaja (pronounced Asia), Acacia, Ajeenah, Akai, Aquanita, Aryan White, >> Baleria, Barbertha, Callie (pronounced Kelly), CaAndi, Chetiqua, Cloteal, >> Curly Top, Darhies, Dayphine, Debrasharme, Derecio, Dertiteriesa, Dikueria >> and Dikuria (twins), Dildree, Dishon, Dovanna, Duanita, Dyiamond, Dwendolyn, >> Effillyne, Elizabeth Taylor, Endrissa, Equandolyn, Esaw, Everage, Floyce, >> Franshawn, Ghia, Godzilla Pimp, Ivier, Jartavious, JyesahJhnai, Keithen, >> Kentnilla, Lafondra, La,poo (yes, contains comma), Latronia, Lemonjello and >> Orangejello (twins), L'Tonya, Machoda, Nau-Quia, Mayima, Minute, Miquel, >> Nethel, Omnipotence, Ondra (pronounced Andre, Ozro, Padraic, Pecola, >> Phe-anjoy, Precious Unique, Queen Esther, Quithreaun, Rincesetta, Sanja, >> Saranus, Shanieja, Sharicus, Shiquipa, SiJourna'i, Silquia, Sinetra, Summer >> Love, Termicka, Tequilla, Timphanie, Tryphenia, Tywana, Tzaddi and Tzavvi >> (twins), Ulheric, Undlia, Undrea (pronounced Andre), Wsam, Xiomara, XL, Yaw, >> Yuvodka Sharice, Wilida, Zaquan, Zufan, Zyneene. >> >> Since appointments mean so little to my clients, I decide each day when I am >> available, and tell everyone to show up at the same time. Names are not the >> only things blacks do not know. Once when I was filling out a form for a >> female client I asked if she knew how old her husband was. She told me she >> didn't know. I asked her the next question on the form, which was her >> husband's birth date. Amazingly, she knew it - and was genuinely surprised >> when I told her she could figure out her husband's age from his birth date. >> >> When potential clients call for the first time, often the hardest part is to >> figure out why they are calling. Usually they begin in the middle of the >> story. If you let them, they will go on and on, and say nothing. Clients may >> call about papers they got in the mail, but never have the papers in front >> of them. They may call for information, but never have a pen or pencil ready >> to take it down. I have learned to ask direct questions: "What is your >> name?" "What is the problem?" If a client cannot tell me in three minutes or >> less what the problem is, I tell him to come to my office and bring a small >> retainer fee. That way at least I will have to listen to their ramblings >> only if they are prepared to pay. >> >> Blacks with whom I have already spoken seem to think I should know instantly >> who they are when they telephone. After I get on the line, a typical >> conversation may go like this: >> >> "Who am I speaking to?" >> "I am your client." >> "I have many clients, can you tell me which one?" >> "I am your divorce client." >> "Can you tell me your name?" >> "Rufus." >> "Rufus, can you tell me your last name?" >> >> The conversation may go on for some time before I finally figure out who is >> calling. >> >> I do not take personal injury or product liability cases, but blacks are >> always asking about bringing suits of this kind: "My vacuum cleaner broke. >> Can you help me?" >> >> Most of my clients who are not black either show up on time for appointments >> or call if they must reschedule. Amazing as this may seem, only about five >> percent of my black clients show up on time, and by that I mean within an >> hour of the appointed time. Only one in five show up on the appointed day. A >> few trickle in a day or two later. Most just never show up. Missing an >> appointment never embarrasses black people. They call repeatedly for new >> appointments, making four, five or even six appointments and then miss them >> all. I had one client who called more than 50 times before he finally came >> to my office. Rarely do I ever get a call from a black client canceling an >> appointment. >> >> When I first started out as a lawyer I would call clients in advance to >> remind them of their appointments. They thanked me, but it made them no more >> likely to show up. Also, I used to call clients and potential clients who >> missed appointments, and try to have them reschedule. This did very little >> good. The most common response was, "Why are you calling me?" and it was >> never their fault that they didn't show up. They had many different excuses, >> but I never heard, "I forgot," or "I'm sorry I didn't make it." >> >> Since appointments mean so little to my clients, I decide each day when I am >> available, and tell everyone to show up at the same time. On Saturday >> afternoons I can have as many as twenty appointments for the same time. >> Usually it is not a problem because few show up and even fewer show up on >> time. Only once in the last 20 years did everyone show up. >> >> Many of my clients are unable to explain even the most basic facts. Often >> they must take the witness stand, and no matter how many times we have gone >> over the testimony in advance, I can be surprised by what they say. Some are >> simply lying and get tangled up in their lies, but most have such low IQs, >> they cannot describe even the simplest things. Often they seem to say the >> first thing that pops into their heads. When they are questioned further >> they cannot remember what they said previously. >> >> I once had a client whose wife was suing him for child support. In >> discussions before trial he told me he had two children from a previous >> marriage. This was favorable for him because it meant he would probably owe >> his current wife less money. At trial, his wife testified that my client had >> no children outside of their marriage. When I asked him on the stand how >> many children he had before he married his current wife, he said he had >> none. Later I asked him why he had answered that way, when he told me before >> that he had two other children. "Did I say that?" he asked. I never found >> out which version was true. >> >> Many of my clients have a hard time following simple directions. Once I >> appeared in traffic court with a client. In lieu of a conviction he was to >> see a traffic safety movie. The courtroom was on the second floor of the >> courthouse, and the traffic safety movie was shown on the first floor. The >> client was to come back to the courtroom with proof - which would be given >> him on the firsfloor - that he watched the movie. Both the judge and I >> explained this to the client. At the designated hour my client did not come >> back to the courtroom. Later that afternoon I got a call from the judge, who >> told me my client had completely misunderstood the instructions. He went to >> the nearest commercial movie house, saw a movie, and brought back his movie >> ticket stub. >> >> Long ago I stopped asking my clients why they did something. It is not worth >> the effort. Most don't know. The ones who know usually cannot give a >> coherent answer. Even if they can give a coherent answer, it usually changes >> every time you ask. >> >> For example, one of my black divorce clients tried to hide assets from his >> spouse - this is not uncommon. Through discovery it came to light that he >> had secretly bought a piece of property after the divorce had begun. He put >> his wife's name on the title, a very odd thing to do, since he was trying to >> hide the property from her. I made the mistake of asking him why he did >> that. True to my previous experiences, he could not give an answer that made >> sense. >> >> Clients sometimes tell me they knew they were being cheated, but signed the >> papers anyway. I have given up asking why they signed, because I know I will >> not get an intelligible answer. >> >> My clients make mistakes in written and spoken English that are often >> comical. One client in a criminal case told me he was telling the truth, and >> was willing to take a "polyester test" to prove it. Another told me he >> desperately wanted to see me, and needed an appointment "between Tuesday and >> Wednesday." One who bounced a check told me the problem was "insignificant >> funds" in his account. I have had clients who have "profiteering" plans at >> work, want an "uncontestable" divorce (or a "detested" divorce, or an >> "untested" divorce), had "insects" (incest) in the family, need an >> "annoyment" (annulment), want a free "flirtation" (consultation), ask about >> my "container" (retainer), want to "consultate" about a divorce, or had to >> meet with "media people" (mediation counselors). One man told me, "I own a >> car but it is not mine," and one who was accused of indecent exposure >> insisted, "I didn't take my stuff out of my pants." >> >> It took me some time to understand certain kinds of black slang. Within the >> first month of my independent practice a man called to ask if I could "put a >> suitcase on a cat." After much inquiry I realized he wanted to know if I >> could file a law suit against someone. Within the week I got another call >> asking if I "did luggage." Since I now knew about suitcases, I said yes, I >> do luggage. I pride myself on doing good work for my clients, but I cannot >> remember even once being thanked or complimented by a black client. They do >> not observe even the most common courtesies. Also, with rare exceptions, >> blacks will never admit they made a mistake. When things go wrong, as they >> inevitably do, it is always someone else's fault. The most common excuse >> blacks give is, "They are putting me through the changes." I have yet to >> figure out exactly what that means. >> >> Most people tell lies because they think a lie will help them. I have come >> to the conclusion that most of my clients cannot distinguish between a >> plausible lie and a wild fairy tale. They are convinced people will believe >> anything they say. Clients often tell me some fantastic story I cannot >> possibly defend in court. If I tell them what they are saying is >> unbelievable the usual reaction is anger and screaming. Typically, they will >> add, "I'm paying you. You have to believe what I say." >> >> One client was willing to take a "polyester test" to prove he was telling >> the truth. Sometimes, despite my warnings, clients will get on the stand and >> tell obvious, outright lies. The judge may interrupt the testimony and tell >> me to go outside with my client to "get your story straight." They are not >> going to sit in court and listen to fairy tales. I take my client outside >> and tell him he has got to tell the truth, or at least say something >> believable. My client then starts screaming. "Why are you talking to me this >> way? You're supposed to be on my side." >> >> I once had a client testify about his assets in a divorce case, in which the >> court was to determine whether he should pay his estranged wife temporary >> support. My client was a store-front preacher, and testified that he lived >> in the marital residence with his wife, though in separate quarters. His >> wife testified that he was out living with his "ho." My client went on and >> on about how this was impossible because he was a Man of God. I thought he >> was lying. The judge ruled that if my client was living with his wife he >> should share household expenses, which he was not currently paying. At this >> point, my client realized there was a cost to pretending to be a Man of God >> living with his lawful wife, and changed his tune. "Judge why are you >> believing me?" he said. "Believe my wife. I am nothing but an old lying >> nigger." No one in the courtroom could stop laughing. >> >> OUTSIDE KIDS >> >> "Outside kid" cases are one of my specialties. For those not in the know, >> blacks call any child born out of wedlock an outside kid. Black men are good >> at making children but not at supporting them, and this can be a terrible >> burden under laws written with white people in mind. >> >> In my state, the parent who does not have custody - almost always the >> father - pays a percentage of net income to the parent with custody - almost >> always the mother. The mother gets 20 percent of the father's net income for >> the first child, 25 percent for two children, and up to 50 percent for five >> or more children. What if a man has children by several women? Each mother >> gets 20 percent for the first child, so a man with five children by five >> different women is supposed to be paying 100 percent of his income in child >> support. I once had a client who had 12 different children by 10 different >> women. Theoretically, he owed 250 percent of his income. These laws simply >> don't make sense for blacks. Judges have to decide each case as best they >> can. >> >> Not surprisingly, the average black client will not pay child support unless >> it is deducted from his paycheck. Many refuse to work, or leave a job to >> avoid paying. Job turnover is very high among blacks, and the court system >> has a hard time keeping up with them. Some blacks quit on purpose, and move >> to another job so as to keep one step ahead of the collections. >> >> Whenever I ask a potential client whether he has paid court-ordered child >> support he will almost invariably answer with one or more of the following: >> "I always helps my kids." "I gives the mother money whenever she asks." "I >> am always there for my kids." "I buys my kids whatever they needs." It >> almost always turns out they have paid no support, haven't seen their >> children in years, and at best may have paid for some basketball shoes. >> >> Children do not always seem to have the same importance for blacks that they >> do for whites. I was in bankruptcy court once waiting for my client's case >> to be called. A black debtor - not my client - was before the judge trying >> to convince him to approve his bankruptcy repayment plan. The judge told him >> he could not afford both his Cadillac and his children, and had to give up >> one or the other. The debtor immediately said he could not give up his car, >> and therefore the judge would have to take his kids. The judge threw up his >> hands and walked off the bench. On another occasion, the same bankruptcy >> judge told a black debtor he could not afford both his Cadillac and his >> house. The debtor replied, "You can live in your car but you can't drive >> your house. Take my house." This was many years ago and tastes in cars may >> have changed, but I learned how important Cadillacs were to blacks. >> >> In one respect my job is very different from that of a policeman or social >> worker: I have to make sure I am paid. I try to get paid in full before I >> agree to represent a client. If I am not paid in full before the case is >> over I know I will never get any more money. Clients have a hard time >> understanding they are paying for an attorney's time. Invariably, if a >> client drops a case before it is over he asks for a full refund. Their >> reasoning goes something like this: "I paid for a divorce and I didn't get >> one, so I should get all my money back." >> >> Once I sued a client who didn't pay me.I finally garnished his wages and was >> paid in full. About six months later he called to ask me to take his next >> case. I told him I didn't want a client that doesn't pay his bills. He >> became indignant. He said I got all my money, so what did I have to complain >> about. >> >> To hear my clients tell it, banks are constantly "messing" with their >> checking accounts. At least that is what they tell me when their checks >> bounce. Most of my clients do not have checking accounts, and pay cash. The >> ones who do have accounts have no idea how much money is in them. Many >> clients have written me checks on accounts that were closed. >> >> Black clients yell and scream at me every day; I have learned that this is >> normal. They are like young children who don't get their way. I usually >> ignore these outbursts, though screaming back at them is usually more >> effective. I have been threatened with physical violence only twice, and >> once I had to call the police to escort a client out of my office. >> >> My experience is hardly unique. Most of the lawyers I know have practices >> similar to mine. Most lawyers therefore are racial realists even if they do >> not admit it openly. Their actions and comments are no different from mine. >> People who have daily contact with minorities, who know first-hand that >> there are racial differences, are likely to be the best prospects for any >> movement that promotes racial consciousness. They don't like dealing with >> blacks, but that is simply part of the business. If they can't take it >> anymore they get into some other line of work. >> >> One lawyer I know moved to the country so he would have white clients. He >> had lived in the big city all his life, but was willing to pull up all his >> roots to get a different clientele. >> >> Recently the supreme court in my state ruled that a lawyer can be >> disciplined for communications that racially denigrate litigants. For that >> reason I cannot write this article under my own name, much as I would like >> to. I must hide behind a pseudonym for fear of falling victim to our >> politically-correct supreme court. >> >> Donald Williamson practices law in the Midwest. > >But dey bees Gawds chillen. > >Charles
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