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Article #668Re: The Big Lie by Dr. William Pierce
From: David Arlander Barge
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 22:45
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 22:45
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Quite bizarre. Now, I have no use at all for the Shrub as is manifest in a lot of my postings, but this is evidence of thought for which I truly have contempt. This demonstrates genuine lack of reason and factual basis. First, stipulate that Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 (which I do). It is fairly well known that he has practically no use for Arafat specifically or the Palestinians in general. True, Palestine was his third complaint used as his sick justification for the attacks, but all coverage of him I have ever seen (and I will leave it to you to type his name in Google and find some of his rants) reveals that it was a distant third and thrown in more to appease the Arab street than for any particular idological reason. His real complaint was the Americans being on Saudi soil, allegedly holy soil. His second complaint dealt with Muslim wars in places such as Chechnya. Notice, those were all elevated over the plight of Palestine separated out as the third complaint. Only once general Arab revulsion regarding Sharon and Israel reached fever pitch did he elevate the Jews and Palestine in his rhetoric, being smart enough to latch onto a good thing from his perspective. Calling the Shrub a liar or incompetent is manifestly justified. Calling him a traitor is something else entirely, and the word traitor is a much higher indictment and should not be thrown around lightly, as this does while positing not to. Traitor demands proof not supplied by the posting or article, and, in fact, the proofs offered are easy to refute on their face. I call on the poster and author to retract their accusation of George W. Bush being a traitor. On Sat, 25 May 2002 16:40:31 -0500, "Euell" <walkmaster91@go.com> wrote: > >"bob" <schmidt3240@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:399cf232.0205250712.73efd50c@posting.google.com... >> An excerpt from American Dissident Voice broadcast of May 25, 2002. >> >> "And so nearly every time a reporter asks me about September 11 I use >> the opportunity to point out that George Bush is a liar: a conscious, >> deliberate, bald-faced, shameless liar. Of course, he's much worse >> than a liar: he's also a traitor. He has cynically and deliberately >> violated his oath of office and betrayed America, betrayed our people, >> and I use the September 11 attack to illustrate that too. If George >> Bush claimed that the September 11 attack was not a response to the >> government's pro-Israel policy that got more than 3,000 Americans >> killed, then he could have set about changing that policy after >> September 11. He could have opened that policy up for discussion. He >> could have blamed that policy on Bill Clinton. He could have said that >> it was just one of many bad policies left over from the Clinton era >> that he hadn't gotten around to changing yet. >> >> But there was no discussion, and there were no changes. Discussion of >> whether the United States should pursue America's interests in the >> Middle East or Israel's interests simply is not permitted. It is a >> taboo subject. And it is clear why it is a taboo subject." >> >> The entire message is available online at: >> >> http://www.natvan.com >> http://www.natall.com >> >> Bob > >
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