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Re: Time to Consider Breaking Up the USA

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From: Chelsea007
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:48
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Herb Grayson <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message news:<VD192HW537301.847349537@frog.gilgamesh.org>...
> "The Globalists' vision of a "new social man" will not change the
> world of the "sun peoples" but it will scrub the people they
> "loathe" from the planet. The Soviets had no trouble sacrificing
> the bourgeoisie to their vision and our present masters have just
> upped the ante to include an entire race."
> 
> 		~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> http://charlesmartelsociety.org/toq/
> 
> excerpts from: 
> Our Children's Children
> by William H. Regnery
> 
> 
> And into this void [following WWII] from an estranged intelligensia
> rose a shadow elite that recognized that "control over the means of
> communication" rather than "ownership of the means of production" was
> key to controlling a society. This elite is an adversarial one who in
> the words of Unibomber victim David Gelernter "loathes the nation it
> rules."  And while he means the United States the geography
> increasingly covers the Anglo- Saxon countries and to a lesser extent
> continental Europe.
> 
> The invention of the global corporation since WW 11 provided the
> elite with an ideal economic Mixmaster that obliterates racial,
> cultural and economic distinctions much as Alexander's forces did
> 2,500 years before.
> 
> Listen to Jurgen Schrempp-born in Germany but now citizen of the
> world. In an interview published in Forbes of January 11, 1999 this
> CEO of Daimler Chrysler noted that,
> 
>    just as we businessmen have had a dialogue with politicians on
>    a national basis, we need now a dialogue with politicians on
>    an international basis. First of all we have to do this on a
>    transatlantic basis. Once we get this right, then we can do it
>    on a global basis. At the end of the day we will have a
>    transatlantic union-and then let's take it further, eventually
>    building a world union. No barriers anymore. International
>    companies. Internationally accepted corporate governance.
>    Access to all markets, with management coming from all parts
>    of the world. Daimler Chrysler can be a catalyst in moving in
>    that direction.
> 
> And of course the most efficient business environment would be a one
> world nation, one government that would incorporate what is now
> local, state and federal jurisdictions, one language, one currency
> and one set of standards.
> 
> A final consolidation would be a racial amalgamation that Michael
> Lind of Harper's Magazine [writing in The New York Times' Magazine]
> celebrates,
> 
>    Senator Theodore G. Bilbo of Mississippi...like other racists
>    of his era believed that the inevitable result of dismantling
>    segregation would be the amalgamation of races through
>    intermarriage. He was right since the U. S. Supreme
>    Court...struck down the last anti-miscegenation
>    laws...marriage across racial lines has grown at a remarkable
>    rate. 
> 
> Animal spirits, too, play a role in corporate globalism. Capitalism
> might be called war by another means and the military arrangement of
> the organization and martial language that is often employed speak to
> this point. Robert E. Lee observed that "it is well that war is so
> terrible or we should get too fond of it." In the modern business
> setting these successors to Alaric can range the whole world over and
> hardly raise a sweat.
> 
> As the shock troops of the Internationalists, the global corporation
> is encouraged and aided by a domestic support team that includes: the
> media, both major political parties, the professional class, the
> establishment Protestant denominations, the civil service and the
> academe. Even the military is throwing its lot in with this crowd as
> General Wesley Clark, late Supreme Allied Commander of the heroic
> Balkan campaign, indicated when he remarked that
> 
>    There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states.
>    That's a 19th Century idea, and we are trying to transition
>    into the 21st Century, and we are going to do it with multi-
>    ethnic states. 
> 
> [ed note: the Jewish Clark forgot to mention Israel as the only
>              allowable exception to his rule]
> 
> As the General's comment suggests, the motivation of the elites is
> inspired more by ideology than economics or adventure. However, while
> different, these goals are complementary and their parallel
> progression should not lead to the kind mutual antagonism that
> occurred in an earlier age between the landed aristocracy and the
> rising commercial class. There is no chink in the facade of self-
> interest that invites a wedge. And generation-by-generation our kind
> will be winnowed out. One of the few accurate comments issuing from
> the Clinton White House was Hillary Clinton's remark that "it takes a
> village to raise a child" and our off spring are being reared by the
> global village.
> 
> The West was grievously wounded by the genetic and psychic
> consequences of 40 years of torment-two back-to-back world civil wars
> which were hinged by economic strife. In extremis we turned to a
> rogue culture that now in the person of the President of the United
> States, William J. Clinton, celebrates the end of European
> denominated United States. And the corporatists take their cue from
> these new Mandarins.
> 
> Our science and technology have swept the world and like the Greeks
> before us the pupils deem the teacher redundant and a embarrassing
> reminder of their debtor status. And, in apparent sympathy with this
> universal opprobrium, Europeans-who make up only 10% of the world's
> population ratchet down their numbers by contributing only 5% to the
> birth rate. Finally, as if to hasten our demise, national borders are
> thrown open and aliens are encouraged to colonize ancient kingdoms.
> The Wall Street Journal of November 5, 1999 put an economic spin on
> diversity and in the lead editorial called for "...a more expansive
> immigration policy, one that doesn't limit the inflow of Indian
> graduates in computer science." The prickly Tom Fleming declared in a
> 1999 Chronicles column, "White folks of America, know this: your
> world is gone." 
> 
> The communist experiment in Russia and China pressed psyche and flesh
> into a Marxist mold that was to produce a "new economic man." But
> like scrap parts from a machine out of control the only result was
> millions upon millions of broken bodies. The Globalists' vision of a
> "new social man" will not change the world of the "sun peoples" but
> it will scrub the people they "loathe" from the planet. The Soviets
> had no trouble sacrificing the bourgeoisie to their vision and our
> present masters have just upped the ante to include an entire race.
> 
> I am going into my 60th year and have reluctantly come to the
> conclusion that reshuffling the deck will not improve our chances for
> winning. We need to start a new game but realize that, as Jefferson
> said, "the generation which commences a revolution rarely completes
> it."
> 
> Put this notion into historical perspective and it's hardly unique.
> If we were living 500 years ago and speaking English, we'd be
> planning a Calvinist settlement in the New World. Or even as late as
> the mid 19th century we could have set our sights on New Zealand. So
> while this objective might be less than novel there are no more open
> lands and so what we seek is sovereign redistribution. Here, some
> recent examples of peaceful separation are: the viable nation states
> of Slovenia, Montenegro, the Baltic states, Czech Republic, Slovakia,
> Bylorussia and Ukraine. Most were created with little or no bloodshed
> and have become viable nation states.
> 
> It's an understandable conceit that politicians have for their
> handiwork to insist that countries are immutable. But consider
> Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan's 1993 observation that, "There are
> just eight states which both existed in 1914 and have not had their
> form of government changed by violence since." And the notion of the
> dismemberment of super states owes its contemporary articulation to
> none other than George Kennan, the author of the "Containment Policy"
> that did so much to thrust the US into world affairs. In his book
> Around The Cragged Hill Kennan proposed breaking up the US and other
> "monster countries" such as Brazil, China and India. But before we
> hoist him on our shoulders, we should remember that he specifically
> disavows drawing borders on "ethnic or racial distinctions." This
> said, Kennan broke ranks with the establishment and gave a patina of
> respectability to the ultimate form of devolution. Another and more
> tangible expression of this possibility surfaced in the pages of
> Commentary. In the November 1999 issue Ron Unz, former primary
> opponent of California Governor Pete Wilson, forecast that
> 
>    as Americans of European ancestry fall increasingly into
>    minority status during the first half of the new century...two
>    alternate futures present themselves-which might be labeled
>    the new American melting pot and the coming of white
>    nationalism.. America's continued viability as a nation may
>    well depend upon which of these paths we choose. 
> 
> And in contemporary American here is anecdotal evidence that not all
> is right in the Emerald City. American Online conducted a poll on
> Southern Nationalism open to its subscribers in May 1997. America
> Online encouraged its subscribers to answer the following question:
> If representatives from southern states did propose secession to
> Congress, what do you think Congress should do? 21% "let them go,"
> 11%" not sure" and 68%" defeat the measure." My definition of
> "radical federalism" has a way to go but it has the support or
> neutrality of 30% of a slice of arguably well-educated computer
> types. In 1997 The New York Times reported that,
> 
> In a smaller-scale rerun of an exodus from the central cities to the
> suburbs a generation ago, many whites are leaving the metropolitan
> areas...for more far flung areas in states like Colorado, Utah,
> Missouri, Idaho, Kansas, Texas, Montana and Nevada. 
> 
> In a column in Southern Partisan Joe Sobran concludes, 
> 
>    If peaceful secession were a live option, many Americans would
>    favor it today. But for now, the question is effectively
>    closed. 
> 
> And on both counts I would add it should be our mission to increase
> those who favor a reconfigured continent and to pry open the question
> of self-determination to popular will.
> 
> From an economic view, small countries work. The Wall Street Journal
> comments that, "Economists say it is increasingly clear that no
> nation is too small to prosper." 
> 
> Estonia, Iceland, Singapore, Malta, and Slovenia are a few examples
> of viable micro nation-states none of which has more than 3 million
> people or occupies more land than Los Angeles.
> 
> But George Kennan sees great difficulty in reconfiguring the United
> States.
> 
>    It is indeed hard to imagine any such changes (national
>    breakups), bound as they would be to tread painfully on a
>    great many entrenched political interests, having their
>    origin, or even finding any response, in the present American
>    political establishment. 
> 
> Yes and yes, but then history does not necessarily move in a straight
> line nor is it determined a by a preordained dialectic. The very
> fissures that we find troublesome work against the power of those who
> created them. I do not think that the "new social man" has been
> perfected or will be. Human beings will always tend to divide along
> racial, cultural and social lines. So if we would like our own bit of
> turf to call a national home, why not the Mexican and Central
> Americans? The native Hawaiians are calling for a return to sovereign
> status of an island or two. In the last referendum the Quebecois
> lacked only a few votes to claim their independence. The deplorable
> state of the American Indian homelands under Federal jurisdiction
> speaks to the need for a new arrangement. There is a loud and active
> movement to change Puerto Rico's status from U. S. commonwealth to
> free state. Blacks once asked for 40 acres and a mule and would they
> be happy with their own country and Israel's generous foreign aid
> allotment? How about a Orthodox Jewish homeland? And once beyond
> these groupings of consanguinity there are powerful economic and
> religious interests. For instance the Massachusetts Bay Colony might
> be reconstituted and repopulated with devout Christians who want to
> live in a state that will not interfere with the public observance of
> their religion and will not tolerate abortions. Or how about
> resurrecting New Harmony filled with committed pacifists and
> socialists?
> 
> I am for the United States ceding territory to Prime Number states
> drawn from the existing North American population that are
> indivisible by reason of race, religion or mutual interests and want
> to form a more perfect union than that in which they now live. These
> sovereign entities at their discretion could form a confederacy of
> equals to facilitate trade and secure their borders. And to this end
> there is no better check list around which to develop a game plan
> than suggested by one of the animators of the Czech Republic, Vaclav
> Klaus.
> 
>    "Reformers must have a clear vision of their goal."
> 
>    "Reformers must have a pragmatic strategy to achieve their goal."
> 
>    "Reformers must engage in a 'permanent campaign' to persuade and
>    mobilize the public to support change."
> 
> In closing I charge the participants of this conference with the
> sacred task of beginning to secure for our children's children
> a proper home.


Having lived near the stressed east coast such proposals,
"balkanization", are not really radical.

Chelsea
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