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Article #669Re: Time to Consider Breaking Up the USA
From: Chelsea007
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:48
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Herb Grayson <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message news:<VD192HW537301.847349537@frog.gilgamesh.org>... > "The Globalists' vision of a "new social man" will not change the > world of the "sun peoples" but it will scrub the people they > "loathe" from the planet. The Soviets had no trouble sacrificing > the bourgeoisie to their vision and our present masters have just > upped the ante to include an entire race." > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > http://charlesmartelsociety.org/toq/ > > excerpts from: > Our Children's Children > by William H. Regnery > > > And into this void [following WWII] from an estranged intelligensia > rose a shadow elite that recognized that "control over the means of > communication" rather than "ownership of the means of production" was > key to controlling a society. This elite is an adversarial one who in > the words of Unibomber victim David Gelernter "loathes the nation it > rules." And while he means the United States the geography > increasingly covers the Anglo- Saxon countries and to a lesser extent > continental Europe. > > The invention of the global corporation since WW 11 provided the > elite with an ideal economic Mixmaster that obliterates racial, > cultural and economic distinctions much as Alexander's forces did > 2,500 years before. > > Listen to Jurgen Schrempp-born in Germany but now citizen of the > world. In an interview published in Forbes of January 11, 1999 this > CEO of Daimler Chrysler noted that, > > just as we businessmen have had a dialogue with politicians on > a national basis, we need now a dialogue with politicians on > an international basis. First of all we have to do this on a > transatlantic basis. Once we get this right, then we can do it > on a global basis. At the end of the day we will have a > transatlantic union-and then let's take it further, eventually > building a world union. No barriers anymore. International > companies. Internationally accepted corporate governance. > Access to all markets, with management coming from all parts > of the world. Daimler Chrysler can be a catalyst in moving in > that direction. > > And of course the most efficient business environment would be a one > world nation, one government that would incorporate what is now > local, state and federal jurisdictions, one language, one currency > and one set of standards. > > A final consolidation would be a racial amalgamation that Michael > Lind of Harper's Magazine [writing in The New York Times' Magazine] > celebrates, > > Senator Theodore G. Bilbo of Mississippi...like other racists > of his era believed that the inevitable result of dismantling > segregation would be the amalgamation of races through > intermarriage. He was right since the U. S. Supreme > Court...struck down the last anti-miscegenation > laws...marriage across racial lines has grown at a remarkable > rate. > > Animal spirits, too, play a role in corporate globalism. Capitalism > might be called war by another means and the military arrangement of > the organization and martial language that is often employed speak to > this point. Robert E. Lee observed that "it is well that war is so > terrible or we should get too fond of it." In the modern business > setting these successors to Alaric can range the whole world over and > hardly raise a sweat. > > As the shock troops of the Internationalists, the global corporation > is encouraged and aided by a domestic support team that includes: the > media, both major political parties, the professional class, the > establishment Protestant denominations, the civil service and the > academe. Even the military is throwing its lot in with this crowd as > General Wesley Clark, late Supreme Allied Commander of the heroic > Balkan campaign, indicated when he remarked that > > There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. > That's a 19th Century idea, and we are trying to transition > into the 21st Century, and we are going to do it with multi- > ethnic states. > > [ed note: the Jewish Clark forgot to mention Israel as the only > allowable exception to his rule] > > As the General's comment suggests, the motivation of the elites is > inspired more by ideology than economics or adventure. However, while > different, these goals are complementary and their parallel > progression should not lead to the kind mutual antagonism that > occurred in an earlier age between the landed aristocracy and the > rising commercial class. There is no chink in the facade of self- > interest that invites a wedge. And generation-by-generation our kind > will be winnowed out. One of the few accurate comments issuing from > the Clinton White House was Hillary Clinton's remark that "it takes a > village to raise a child" and our off spring are being reared by the > global village. > > The West was grievously wounded by the genetic and psychic > consequences of 40 years of torment-two back-to-back world civil wars > which were hinged by economic strife. In extremis we turned to a > rogue culture that now in the person of the President of the United > States, William J. Clinton, celebrates the end of European > denominated United States. And the corporatists take their cue from > these new Mandarins. > > Our science and technology have swept the world and like the Greeks > before us the pupils deem the teacher redundant and a embarrassing > reminder of their debtor status. And, in apparent sympathy with this > universal opprobrium, Europeans-who make up only 10% of the world's > population ratchet down their numbers by contributing only 5% to the > birth rate. Finally, as if to hasten our demise, national borders are > thrown open and aliens are encouraged to colonize ancient kingdoms. > The Wall Street Journal of November 5, 1999 put an economic spin on > diversity and in the lead editorial called for "...a more expansive > immigration policy, one that doesn't limit the inflow of Indian > graduates in computer science." The prickly Tom Fleming declared in a > 1999 Chronicles column, "White folks of America, know this: your > world is gone." > > The communist experiment in Russia and China pressed psyche and flesh > into a Marxist mold that was to produce a "new economic man." But > like scrap parts from a machine out of control the only result was > millions upon millions of broken bodies. The Globalists' vision of a > "new social man" will not change the world of the "sun peoples" but > it will scrub the people they "loathe" from the planet. The Soviets > had no trouble sacrificing the bourgeoisie to their vision and our > present masters have just upped the ante to include an entire race. > > I am going into my 60th year and have reluctantly come to the > conclusion that reshuffling the deck will not improve our chances for > winning. We need to start a new game but realize that, as Jefferson > said, "the generation which commences a revolution rarely completes > it." > > Put this notion into historical perspective and it's hardly unique. > If we were living 500 years ago and speaking English, we'd be > planning a Calvinist settlement in the New World. Or even as late as > the mid 19th century we could have set our sights on New Zealand. So > while this objective might be less than novel there are no more open > lands and so what we seek is sovereign redistribution. Here, some > recent examples of peaceful separation are: the viable nation states > of Slovenia, Montenegro, the Baltic states, Czech Republic, Slovakia, > Bylorussia and Ukraine. Most were created with little or no bloodshed > and have become viable nation states. > > It's an understandable conceit that politicians have for their > handiwork to insist that countries are immutable. But consider > Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan's 1993 observation that, "There are > just eight states which both existed in 1914 and have not had their > form of government changed by violence since." And the notion of the > dismemberment of super states owes its contemporary articulation to > none other than George Kennan, the author of the "Containment Policy" > that did so much to thrust the US into world affairs. In his book > Around The Cragged Hill Kennan proposed breaking up the US and other > "monster countries" such as Brazil, China and India. But before we > hoist him on our shoulders, we should remember that he specifically > disavows drawing borders on "ethnic or racial distinctions." This > said, Kennan broke ranks with the establishment and gave a patina of > respectability to the ultimate form of devolution. Another and more > tangible expression of this possibility surfaced in the pages of > Commentary. In the November 1999 issue Ron Unz, former primary > opponent of California Governor Pete Wilson, forecast that > > as Americans of European ancestry fall increasingly into > minority status during the first half of the new century...two > alternate futures present themselves-which might be labeled > the new American melting pot and the coming of white > nationalism.. America's continued viability as a nation may > well depend upon which of these paths we choose. > > And in contemporary American here is anecdotal evidence that not all > is right in the Emerald City. American Online conducted a poll on > Southern Nationalism open to its subscribers in May 1997. America > Online encouraged its subscribers to answer the following question: > If representatives from southern states did propose secession to > Congress, what do you think Congress should do? 21% "let them go," > 11%" not sure" and 68%" defeat the measure." My definition of > "radical federalism" has a way to go but it has the support or > neutrality of 30% of a slice of arguably well-educated computer > types. In 1997 The New York Times reported that, > > In a smaller-scale rerun of an exodus from the central cities to the > suburbs a generation ago, many whites are leaving the metropolitan > areas...for more far flung areas in states like Colorado, Utah, > Missouri, Idaho, Kansas, Texas, Montana and Nevada. > > In a column in Southern Partisan Joe Sobran concludes, > > If peaceful secession were a live option, many Americans would > favor it today. But for now, the question is effectively > closed. > > And on both counts I would add it should be our mission to increase > those who favor a reconfigured continent and to pry open the question > of self-determination to popular will. > > From an economic view, small countries work. The Wall Street Journal > comments that, "Economists say it is increasingly clear that no > nation is too small to prosper." > > Estonia, Iceland, Singapore, Malta, and Slovenia are a few examples > of viable micro nation-states none of which has more than 3 million > people or occupies more land than Los Angeles. > > But George Kennan sees great difficulty in reconfiguring the United > States. > > It is indeed hard to imagine any such changes (national > breakups), bound as they would be to tread painfully on a > great many entrenched political interests, having their > origin, or even finding any response, in the present American > political establishment. > > Yes and yes, but then history does not necessarily move in a straight > line nor is it determined a by a preordained dialectic. The very > fissures that we find troublesome work against the power of those who > created them. I do not think that the "new social man" has been > perfected or will be. Human beings will always tend to divide along > racial, cultural and social lines. So if we would like our own bit of > turf to call a national home, why not the Mexican and Central > Americans? The native Hawaiians are calling for a return to sovereign > status of an island or two. In the last referendum the Quebecois > lacked only a few votes to claim their independence. The deplorable > state of the American Indian homelands under Federal jurisdiction > speaks to the need for a new arrangement. There is a loud and active > movement to change Puerto Rico's status from U. S. commonwealth to > free state. Blacks once asked for 40 acres and a mule and would they > be happy with their own country and Israel's generous foreign aid > allotment? How about a Orthodox Jewish homeland? And once beyond > these groupings of consanguinity there are powerful economic and > religious interests. For instance the Massachusetts Bay Colony might > be reconstituted and repopulated with devout Christians who want to > live in a state that will not interfere with the public observance of > their religion and will not tolerate abortions. Or how about > resurrecting New Harmony filled with committed pacifists and > socialists? > > I am for the United States ceding territory to Prime Number states > drawn from the existing North American population that are > indivisible by reason of race, religion or mutual interests and want > to form a more perfect union than that in which they now live. These > sovereign entities at their discretion could form a confederacy of > equals to facilitate trade and secure their borders. And to this end > there is no better check list around which to develop a game plan > than suggested by one of the animators of the Czech Republic, Vaclav > Klaus. > > "Reformers must have a clear vision of their goal." > > "Reformers must have a pragmatic strategy to achieve their goal." > > "Reformers must engage in a 'permanent campaign' to persuade and > mobilize the public to support change." > > In closing I charge the participants of this conference with the > sacred task of beginning to secure for our children's children > a proper home. Having lived near the stressed east coast such proposals, "balkanization", are not really radical. Chelsea
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