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Article #864Re: Supreme Court halts Florida vote count: A black day for American democracy
From: Mike Hartigan
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:59
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:59
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:29:06 GMT, David Jensen said... > On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 05:44:38 -0600, in wi.general > MWSmith <mws@wt.net> wrote in > <3EF950B49BEB7C98.AA241107AB02C3ED.24F68721CAAA405C@lp.airnews.net>: > > > >On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 04:37:26 GMT, David Jensen > ><david@dajensen-family.com> wrote: > > > >>Well, I think that the law says all the votes that can be counted > >>according to the criteria in the statute. > >> > >>Good ballot procedures should: > >> > >>(1) not allow ambiguous votes. > >>(2) not allow multiple votes for the same seat. > >>(3) not allow a seat to be forgotten. > >>(4) leave a highly reliable audit trail. > >> > >>We cannot fix the past, but we can certainly avoid repeats. > > > >#3 is wrong. The "undervotes" were votes for "none of the above". > >These people voted in other races, but not for President because there > >is no space (or punch point) for "none of the above". > > I want to require that people explicitly not vote for those candidates. And then what do we do with those ballots for which there is still no punch? Give them to the Democrats? (Recall that Gore's logic was that anybody who is too stupid to figure out how to correctly mark their ballots must be for the Democratic candidate) > Then, if we are looking for real electoral reform, the next step is to > disqualify the losing candidates in the revote when NOTA wins. I fear that a situation like that would make 'Election 2000' pale by comparison!
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