Article View: mn.general
Article #867Re: Supreme Court halts Florida vote count: A black day for American democracy
From: David Jensen
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 04:31
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 04:31
48 lines
3511 bytes
3511 bytes
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:59:32 -0600, in wi.general Mike Hartigan <mike@hartigan.dot.com> wrote in <0210AB645B3F6BC1.46F07665E5FF8CEB.7DE4AD6FE9BA7F33@lp.airnews.net>: >On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:29:06 GMT, David Jensen said... >> On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 05:44:38 -0600, in wi.general >> MWSmith <mws@wt.net> wrote in >> <3EF950B49BEB7C98.AA241107AB02C3ED.24F68721CAAA405C@lp.airnews.net>: >> >> >> >On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 04:37:26 GMT, David Jensen >> ><david@dajensen-family.com> wrote: >> > >> >>Well, I think that the law says all the votes that can be counted >> >>according to the criteria in the statute. >> >> >> >>Good ballot procedures should: >> >> >> >>(1) not allow ambiguous votes. >> >>(2) not allow multiple votes for the same seat. >> >>(3) not allow a seat to be forgotten. >> >>(4) leave a highly reliable audit trail. >> >> >> >>We cannot fix the past, but we can certainly avoid repeats. >> > >> >#3 is wrong. The "undervotes" were votes for "none of the above". >> >These people voted in other races, but not for President because there >> >is no space (or punch point) for "none of the above". >> >> I want to require that people explicitly not vote for those candidates. > >And then what do we do with those ballots for which there is still no >punch? Give them to the Democrats? (Recall that Gore's logic was that >anybody who is too stupid to figure out how to correctly mark their >ballots must be for the Democratic candidate) No, the ballot is immediately rejected by the machine before the voter leaves. >> Then, if we are looking for real electoral reform, the next step is to >> disqualify the losing candidates in the revote when NOTA wins. > >I fear that a situation like that would make 'Election 2000' pale by >comparison! With the current situation NOTA is about the only one who can get incumbents out of office.
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<u35i6tgfbd4q9k75dgfoq1fl3neb757nvt@4ax.com>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!isdnet!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.online.be!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mailReferences:
<ip1h6tgldmeqq2gsp577e4b4cqk2odcbac@4ax.com> <0210AB645B3F6BC1.46F07665E5FF8CEB.7DE4AD6FE9BA7F33@lp.airnews.net>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fd321,b1da3fd7c2453373 X-Google-Attributes: gidfd321,public X-Google-Thread: fa03c,b1da3fd7c2453373 X-Google-Attributes: gidfa03c,public X-Google-Thread: 109097,b1da3fd7c2453373 X-Google-Attributes: gid109097,public X-Google-Thread: 10c449,b1da3fd7c2453373 X-Google-Attributes: gid10c449,public X-Google-Thread: f8dda,13cdbfdc94512e1d X-Google-Attributes: gidf8dda,public X-Google-Thread: f765b,b1da3fd7c2453373 X-Google-Attributes: gidf765b,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-01-19 20:31:48 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!isdnet!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.online.be!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: David Jensen <david@dajensen-family.com> Newsgroups: mn.general,wi.general,alt.rush-limbaugh,pa.politics,dfw.politics,houston.general Subject: Re: Supreme Court halts Florida vote count: A black day for American democracy Organization: Jensen Family Reply-To: david@dajensen-family.com Message-ID: <u35i6tgfbd4q9k75dgfoq1fl3neb757nvt@4ax.com> References: <ip1h6tgldmeqq2gsp577e4b4cqk2odcbac@4ax.com> <0210AB645B3F6BC1.46F07665E5FF8CEB.7DE4AD6FE9BA7F33@lp.airnews.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 48 Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 04:31:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.49.219.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 979965098 207.49.219.111 (Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:31:38 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 22:31:38 CST