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Love-Hounds Digest			   Wednesday, February 26, 1986, 11:45

Today's Topics:

			 Re: Love-Hounds Digest
			     a nasty night
		Obscure cover version I'd like to see...
			Dreaming (not really...)
		       Old and orphaned responses
			Stan Ridgeway?? (3 msgs)
			    Rites of Spring
			  Hair Style (2 msgs)
			   YMG ; Spazz & Slop
				Funhouse
		      Pazz & Jop Poll / Bragging
		British Music Industry Awards and Kate

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 86 06:36:05 est
From: John Kitamura <floyd!clyde!watmath!utcsri!kato>
Subject: Re: Love-Hounds Digest

Re: Fripp, Exposure, Daryl Hall, King Crimson
	Although credited as co-composer, Daryl Hall isn't the vocalist on
"Chicago". It is sung by the amazing Peter Hammil, of Van Der Graff Generator
fame, and lately of the "K" Band. Hammil and Fripp have collaborated on
several other projects (Two VDGG albums, "H to He, Who am the Only One", and
"Pawn Hearts", and a couple solo Hammil albums (I think)).
On exposure, Hammil also sings on "Disengage" and "I may not have had e..."
	Another interesting point; "Exposure" has been recently (end of
last summer) re-released in Canada with a foldout cover. The tracks are
listed as the same but there are noticeable differences in the songs.
A different vocal track is used on "Disengage", the Frippertronics
pieces are a lot longer (some by several minutes), and some of the between
track conversations have been shortened.
	As for "Exposure" being a Crimson album, I have to agree. Most of
the material was written while Crimson was still together (The Wetton/Bruford/
Cross line-up) and it sounds much more like Crimson than Fripp's later
works. (But not the `new' Crimson - the Belew infested one).

	A postscript: For those of you who really enjoy the hard-edged
material on "Exposure" and "Starless and Bible Black", and are Wayside Music
corresponders, I heartily recommend the two "Bi Kyo Ran" albums that they
are currently offering - a Japanese Crimson-cover band. Perhaps not the
most inventive music ever recorded, but the guitarist/composer is a dead
ringer for that era of Fripp.

John Kitamura/ Univ of Toronto

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Date:     Wed, 19 Feb 86 8:08:22 EST
From: Hofmann <hofmann@AMSAA.ARPA>
Subject:  a nasty night

A nasty night

Yep, I dreamed last night that I bought that Fine Young Cannibals LP.  What
a nightmare!  I woke up in a cold sweat only to  find out that I hadn't woke
at all!  Surrounding my bed were these strange, skinny creatures with upright
weedstalks in their hair ranting, "We Care!  We Care Alot! - we care about our
video, we care bout it alot! we care about our contract and the money we have
got! we care about our single and if billboard thinks its hot.  We care about
a Grammy and that next lid of Pot!  We Care!  WE CARE ALOT!!"  Aggghh!  With
my head in hands I ran downstairs only to be confronted by more skinny people
with weedstalks in their hair...they had taken over while I was sleeping!  The
Jesus Marry Chain, the Creeping Walls, The 10,000 Maniacs!!! And there was
nothing I could do except lock myself in my basement with my ghetto blaster...


Whew... I was glad when I woke up to find it was only a dream, the attack
of the poser punks... I gotta quit watching those Japanese movies and 
David Letterman...

					"Ohhh, mama, can you hear that                                                   blowing?" - Tex & the Horseheads

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 10:12:47 EST
From: hsut@purdue-ecn.ARPA (Bill Hsu)
Subject: Obscure cover version I'd like to see...



Wouldn't this be a great single to introduce the general public to alternative
music:

Frank Sinatra sings		Dirty Old Man	(The Fugs)
				b/w	I'm an old pervert	(Soft Boys)

:-)

Or how about Laurie Anderson and William Burroughs doing Top 40 rap like
J. Geils' Centerfold or Blondie's Rapture? William Burroughs, of course,
will get to do all the spoken parts :-)


					Bill Hsu

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 11:16:12 EST
From: hsut@ec.purdue.edu (Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Dreaming (not really...)


C'mon, Jim, there're worse groups to dream of than Fine Young Cannibals!
(Then again, I've only heard one of their songs, so...:-) Last time I
dreamt about music it was Death Valley '69 by Sonic Youth... great song,
but boy, it was a bad night...

Has anyone heard of a group called Bolshoi? I heard their song "Fly" on
the Beggars Banquet compilation and it had some interesting things in it.
Apparently they have this mini LP out called Giants. Is it any good?


				"Brave men run in my family"
				 Bill Hsu

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From: think!harvard!bu-cs!sam
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 86 18:18:42 EST
Subject: Old and orphaned responses

> post 1977 (right Shelli??? Jesus Christ Superstar my foot (OUCH!)
> thass hippy musak from the 60's or some other lame decade)...

Oops, sorry...I was just being BORN in the late sixties...

>> Zula: Next Year in Jerusalem
>>       (** The obvious alternative for Jews **)

> You're not thinking of converting are you?  And you really want to
> brainwash the impending kids the *your* religion, don't you?

Oooo...low blow, Doug!  Just because not all of us are hedonistic
pagans...!  [Blessed be.  --Doug]

By the way..correction: it's Zola, not Zula.  I know you'll all be 
rushing out to buy the album.

Suzanne Vega, Left of Center:

Yikes!  How can you not like it, Susanne? I love it...but then
again I like Madonna, so I suppose my opinion doesn't carry much
weight...  :-)

[Well, I like it too, and I can't stand Madonna, so maybe that carries
some weight. -- Doug]

>> Do you ever wonder what your fellow Love-Hounders and net.music
>> contributors look like?

> Yeah, so I went and visited some of them.  They always look totally
> different than you expected.

WHAT?  You mean I wasn't as cute and charming as you expected????

[No, at least 52.7% more cute and charming than expected.  But then
liking Madonna is at least -31.8%...  --Doug]

Marillion:  Are they the ones that do "Kayleigh"?  [Yes --Doug] Great
song, except for the chorus.  Cute video, too.  What's that other song
of theirs?

Other questions:
I heard a song on WFNX (Boston) today that I loved, except I was in
the shower and really didn't hear the DJ when he said who it was.
I could've SWORN I heard the word "October".  Does this ring a bell
to anybody?

What movie is "Left of Center" from?

Question about somebody who's not really down our alley of 
conversation: Does Bob Dylan have a song called "Desolation
Row"?  And if so, what the heck IS Desolation Row referring
to?  If anybody wants, I can post the lyrics for somebody's
wise interpretation.  I really like the lyrics...I hope the
song's as good.

------------
"When I first heard there were problems in the Middle East,
I thought they were talking about Pittsburgh!"

--Shelli

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 12:09:58 est
From: bdmrrr!potomac!jsl@seismo.CSS.GOV (John Labovitz)
Subject: Stan Ridgeway??

[This is also posted to net.music; sorry if you see it twice.]

I was in my local record store the other day, and they were playing an album
by a guy named Stan Ridgeway.  Sort of poppish, but with strange lyrics (for
some reason reminded me of a cross between Robyn Hitchcock and Tom Waits).
The voice sounded a lot like the singer from Mission of Burma.

Does anyone know anything about this guy?  I'll probably go out and buy the
album, but I'm just curious.

John Labovitz		..!{rlgvax,seismo}!bdmrrr!potomac!jsl
--
I've got you under my skin where the rain can't get in
And if the sweat pours out, just shout,
I'll try to swim and haul you out.	-- The The

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 12:13:27 est
From: bdmrrr!potomac!jsl@seismo.CSS.GOV (John Labovitz)
Subject: Rites of Spring

Well, in case none of you have heard, one of the best hardcore bands in the
world -- Rites of Spring -- have broken up.  Mike Fellows, the bassist,
decided to leave (for reasons unknown).  Instead of trying to find a new
bassist, the three remaining members (Guy, Eddie, and the drummer (whose
name I can't remember right now)) are forming a new band.  I don't know if
they're going to have a bassist or not.  We'll see.

Buy Rites of Spring's record anyway (I think it's on Fountain of Youth
Records).  It's really good.

John Labovitz		..!{rlgvax,seismo}!bdmrrr!potomac!jsl
--
I've got you under my skin where the rain can't get in
And if the sweat pours out, just shout,
I'll try to swim and haul you out.	-- The The

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From: Jeff Dalton <jeff%aiva.edinburgh.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 19:14:47 GMT
Subject: Hair Style

Not that this provers anything, but Kate had long hair on the BMI awards
show.


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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 11:35:05 pst
From: ia-sun2!smeagol!gorbag!earle@csvax.caltech.edu (Greg Earle)
Subject: YMG ; Spazz & Slop

Young Marble Giants broke up a ways back (~1983, I believe?).  Out of the 
ashes came The Gist (who had something on RT), and Weekend (Alison 
Stratton joined that one, I don't remember if the Moxham bros. were involved;
a nagging suspicion sez yes, but Don't Quote Me On That).  There was a
Weekend LP on RT as well.  As for now, ????  Sorry, no discography - I'm
at work right now, not at home in front of the Archives.

Re: Spazz and Slop Pole

Yes, folks, another irrefutable piece of evidence in support of the
All Music Critics Are Wankers theory ...

Disclaimer: I am not now nor have I ever been a Music Critic; in any shape
or form (i.e. writing for or to a periodical), unless you count posting
to net.musack :@) :@) :@)

"grege"


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Date: Wed 19 Feb 86 14:09:47-PST
From: Bob Knight <bdmrrr!seismo!SRI-NIC.ARPA!KNIGHT@seismo.CSS.GOV>
Subject: Re: Stan Ridgeway??

Aaah.  Stan Ridgeway, of the legendary Wall of Doo..., oops, Voodoo.  Actually,
I like Stan A LOT, he's real quirky, and has one hell of a sense (strange) of
humor.  I plan to snarf that sucker as soon as the weather clears up and all
the geeks on the road get back to just being bad drivers instead of being
scared homicidal maniacs...

Bob
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 86 17:31:16 EST
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: Re:  Hair Style

Kate is wearing a short-hair wig on the cover of Cloudbusting and
in the Cloudbusting video.  This is because she is playing the part
of Peter Reich as a little boy.  When I met her, she had her normal
long hair, and it was quite real, I am sure.

				"Give me a head with hair
				 Long beautiful hair!"

				 Doug

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From: genrad!decvax!utzoo!aesat!djm
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 86 21:07:03 est
Subject: Funhouse

Since someone brought up the best record issue...

"Funhouse" by Iggy Pop and the Stooges is the best record that can ever
and will ever be made.  I have a cassette with it on both sides so I
don't have to rewind.

[No, it isn't.  "The Dreaming" is!  The other side of  my cassette is
blank, so that I have time to recover.  -- Doug]




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Date:  Wed, 19 Feb 86 15:48 MST
From: "James J. Lippard" <Lippard@HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS.ARPA>
Subject:  Re: Stan Ridgeway??
Reply-To:  Lippard@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA

Stan Ridgeway used to be the singer for Wall of Voodoo, he worked on the
soundtrack to the Coppola movie "Rumblefish" with Stuart Copeland of the
Police.

   Jim (Lippard at MIT-MULTICS.ARPA)

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was I would say).  Even my close friend Pascal Languirand (aka Minos;
aka TRANS-X) has traded in his noise generators, various sound modification
devices and other interesting 'sounding' items for multiple layered MIDI
overglorified rhythm boxes (with 127 part harmony), and an actual live
performing band.  What gives.  Isn't anyone out there doing cosmic
exploration anymore.  With the current crop of multi-tracking devices
(including the, gulp, midi stuff).  You would think that we would have
uncovered the essense of musical consciousness by now (of course I realize
that we might have but Sylvester Stallone just couldn't understand it so
it was forgotten).
    I would appreciate communicating with those overaged individuals who
are interested in the music of the mind (not the echos thereof), those
who maybe sometimes pull out there old Moog-10, Synthi VCS3 or AKS,
EML 101,200, various sound modification devices and an old TEAC 3340A 
(or maybe gust an older 3340) to try to open the doors of cosmic
conciousness in a way that even a Rosicruscian never thought of).
Reply to ROSSI@NUSC.ARPA.

Sorry, Doug, if this was the incorrect channel through which to send
this message, notify me if that is the case and Ill send mail to a
better address.


By the way, has anyone heard from Ash RA lately (after their disco album)?

John

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Date:     Wed, 19 Feb 86 15:47:46 EST
From: Susanne E Trowbridge <umcp-cs!jhunix!ins_aset@seismo.CSS.GOV>
Subject:  Pazz & Jop Poll / Bragging

Since the results of the Village Voice Pazz and Jop Poll were printed,
I thought I'd mention that if you look at the very very very tiny miniscule
print at the very end of the article, where they list all the contributors,
you can see my name.  It is my one claim to fame.  If anyone has an enlar-
ging copier, perhaps they could enlarge the list about 10x so I can put it
in my clipping file.

(PS - I am the rock critic for the Johns Hopkins Univ News-Letter.  This
should prove that anyone can participate in the Pazz and Jop Poll.  Next
January, be subversive and send in an entry yourself!)

Hip media celebrity,
Sue

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 86 00:51:06 EST
From: nessus (Doug Alan)
Subject: British Music Industry Awards and Kate

I caught the British Music Industry Awards on TV last Friday. (See, I
didn't miss it, Tim!  "England's newest pop star"????  "England's newest
pop star"???  "England's newest..."??? ...)  In any case, for those who
missed it, you didn't miss much.  Most of it was a complete farce.  The
highlight of the night came when the award for "Best International
Group" was presented.  Among those nominated were The Talking Heads and
Hewey, Dewey, Lewey, and The News.  Needless to say Hewey, baby, won.
And later this beautiful human being came out to give this wonderful
speech about how the music industry is so competitive these days, and
how this is such a wonderful thing for everyone.  Sign me up on the
ideology!  I wanna be a record company executive now.

In any kase, Kate was nominated for three awards, Best Album, Best
Single, and Best Female Artist.  She lost all three.  Best Album was won
by Fill Colon for "Faith Valueless".  Best Single was won by Spears for
Queers for "Everybody Wants To Rule The Whirlpool Refrigerator".  And
Best Female Artist was won by Annie Eunuchs.

There were pseudo-live (lip-synched) performances by Fill Colon, Spears
for Queers, Hewey, and Kate Bush, among others, who I've probably
forgotten.  It's good to see Kate thrown in among so much talent in
front of 100 million viewers.

Kate performed "Dogs of Lust".  The lighting and the eclecticness of the
band and the clothes the band members wore were quite impressive.  There
were Kate, two cello players (one of them Paddy), a keyboardist (Del
Palmer), and three (yes, that's right -- *three*) drummers.  The drummer
in the middle played sampled electronic drums (he was dressed rather
formally and acted very mechanical and precise, as if playing the part
of a human drum machine) and the other two drummers played normal
acoustic drum sets.

Still, it was a bit disappointing because Kate basically just stood
there and sang (or pretended to sing, rather).  I've also seen live
appearances for RuTH and Cloudbusting, and in neither of these did Kate
do the strange dancing she is famous for.  Kate's dancing and
choreography ability for live appearances reached a peak after "The
Dreaming".  Once she appeared on the Italian equivalent of "Solid Gold"
and had to perform the song "The Dreaming" on a transparent disco stage
with rotating and flashing lights -- but the stunning power and quality
of her bizzare dance for this song is so amazing that the video clip is
a classic just for the superposition of such class and such tackiness.
And the dance routine she did for live appearances of "Suspended In
Gaffa" is bizzare, cute, and wonderfully charming.

In videos, her dance skills reached a peak in the video for "Running Up
That Hill", which is beautiful and wrenchingly poignant.  But the
dancing disappeared for "Cloudbusting" and in her recent live
appearances.  It's almost as if she's saying "I achieved my goals in
dancing -- my live appearances for 'The Dreaming' and the video for RuTH
are the conclusion of what I have to say in that area, and now it's time
for me to go on to something different."  On the other hand, maybe in
her old age, she's just become more self-conscious about appearing
foolish with dancing, because she's not a professional dancer, and wants
to appear more in total control and be the target of less ridicule for
her "poncy" dancing.  She certainly appears more "impressive" and mature
recently, but it this necessarily a good thing?  What happened to the
youthful spunk and naivity?  Is this what three years can do to you?
Don't grow old too quick, Kate!  ("Stay young.  And keep in touch.")

Then again, Kate risking appearing silly by playing a little boy in the
"Cloudbusting" video helps restore my faith.  (Hear that Hofmann!)

			"Moving stranger, does it really matter?
			 As long as you're not afraid to feel"

			 Doug


P.S. Newsflash: The U.S. 7" single for "Hounds Of Love" appeared in the
record stores around here today.  And the British single for "Hounds Of
Love" was released on Monday.  Unlike in the U.S., release dates in
England are when you can actually buy the record in the stores, so
better import record stores should be getting the import by Friday.

The British single has a new song on it -- an a cappella cover of "The
Handsome Cabin Boy".  (Wasn't this done by Bert Loyd and Ewan MacColl?
Or am I totally off the wall?)  The 12" single will also have "Jig Of
Life" on it.  The U.S. single has "Burning Bridge" on it.

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-- 
It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin' under.

Greg Skinner (gregbo)
{decvax!genrad, allegra, gatech, ihnp4}!mit-eddie!gds
gds@eddie.mit.edu